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  • K Kevin Marois

    Check out this posting. Amusing. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/102155-any-cool-programming-project-ideas.html[^] and I quote... I guess I should mention, all of my programs have all of their code in one source code file, usually no more than 10 pages. I don't really know how to tell the compiler to compile multiple source code files that are supposed to form one program. I consider myself a fairly skilled programmer, in that I can write programs to solve complicated mathematical or scientific problems, or run cool simulations, like a basic 2D flight simulator (with VERY basic graphics, but very accurate flight modeling) or whatever. But these are usually short (<10 pages), one-source-code-file programs. I am kind of lost working on "big" projects like this. Unfortunately, most of the open source software I use, like OpenOffice, or Dev-C++, etc, are "big" (hundreds of pages of code, many source files, etc) and I wouldnt know where to start as far as adding a feature or fixing a bug. I know C++ very well, ie, how to use classes, pointers, inheritance, structures, loops, and pretty much all of the language features of C++, but I dont know how to work with "big" projects that use multiple source code files, libraries, data files, graphics resources, etc.

    Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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    Leslie Sanford
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    Did you link to the wrong post? When I click the link, I'm taken to a post over three years old in which someone is asking for programming ideas.

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    • L Leslie Sanford

      Did you link to the wrong post? When I click the link, I'm taken to a post over three years old in which someone is asking for programming ideas.

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      CMullikin
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      Most of the things he quoted are from the subsequent messages from the OP.

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      • L lewax00

        Who measures code length in pages?

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        Smithers Jones
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        lewax00 wrote:

        Who measures code length in pages?

        Yeah, I measure it in chapters. Oh, wait...

        "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)

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          lewax00 wrote:

          Who measures code length in pages?

          Yeah, I measure it in chapters. Oh, wait...

          "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)

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          AspDotNetDev
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          I measure in DPI.

          Martin Fowler wrote:

          Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            Not really. That used to be quite common back in the old Unix C days, and there were lots of highly skilled devs back then.

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            Lost User
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            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

            and there were lots of highly skilled devs back then

            that is still debatable... Atleast if they were using this 'common' methodology ;P

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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            • K Kevin Marois

              Check out this posting. Amusing. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/102155-any-cool-programming-project-ideas.html[^] and I quote... I guess I should mention, all of my programs have all of their code in one source code file, usually no more than 10 pages. I don't really know how to tell the compiler to compile multiple source code files that are supposed to form one program. I consider myself a fairly skilled programmer, in that I can write programs to solve complicated mathematical or scientific problems, or run cool simulations, like a basic 2D flight simulator (with VERY basic graphics, but very accurate flight modeling) or whatever. But these are usually short (<10 pages), one-source-code-file programs. I am kind of lost working on "big" projects like this. Unfortunately, most of the open source software I use, like OpenOffice, or Dev-C++, etc, are "big" (hundreds of pages of code, many source files, etc) and I wouldnt know where to start as far as adding a feature or fixing a bug. I know C++ very well, ie, how to use classes, pointers, inheritance, structures, loops, and pretty much all of the language features of C++, but I dont know how to work with "big" projects that use multiple source code files, libraries, data files, graphics resources, etc.

              Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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              Dan Neely
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              He could be skilled at writing small programs, and just have a bizarrely large blindspot in his skillset. It depends on the font, but 10 pages is probably around 500 lines of code which isn't unreasonable for a single class, and a small utility program. I was largely self taught for anything relating to scaling code as a HS student in the 90s and much of my initial impetus for splitting procedural code up had to do with memory limits of a 16bit compiler than anything design related. :-O

              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius

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              • A AspDotNetDev

                I measure in DPI.

                Martin Fowler wrote:

                Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.

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                lewax00
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                I saw that and thought dots per inch...

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                • K Kevin Marois

                  Check out this posting. Amusing. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/102155-any-cool-programming-project-ideas.html[^] and I quote... I guess I should mention, all of my programs have all of their code in one source code file, usually no more than 10 pages. I don't really know how to tell the compiler to compile multiple source code files that are supposed to form one program. I consider myself a fairly skilled programmer, in that I can write programs to solve complicated mathematical or scientific problems, or run cool simulations, like a basic 2D flight simulator (with VERY basic graphics, but very accurate flight modeling) or whatever. But these are usually short (<10 pages), one-source-code-file programs. I am kind of lost working on "big" projects like this. Unfortunately, most of the open source software I use, like OpenOffice, or Dev-C++, etc, are "big" (hundreds of pages of code, many source files, etc) and I wouldnt know where to start as far as adding a feature or fixing a bug. I know C++ very well, ie, how to use classes, pointers, inheritance, structures, loops, and pretty much all of the language features of C++, but I dont know how to work with "big" projects that use multiple source code files, libraries, data files, graphics resources, etc.

                  Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                  GuyThiebaut
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                  Maybe he is a fairly accomplished programmer - but a

                  Kevin Marois wrote:

                  2D flight simulator

                  is surely an oxymoron. Maybe a 2d Ant simulator but I am still trying to get my head around 2 dimensions and flight...

                  Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                  • K Kevin Marois

                    Check out this posting. Amusing. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/102155-any-cool-programming-project-ideas.html[^] and I quote... I guess I should mention, all of my programs have all of their code in one source code file, usually no more than 10 pages. I don't really know how to tell the compiler to compile multiple source code files that are supposed to form one program. I consider myself a fairly skilled programmer, in that I can write programs to solve complicated mathematical or scientific problems, or run cool simulations, like a basic 2D flight simulator (with VERY basic graphics, but very accurate flight modeling) or whatever. But these are usually short (<10 pages), one-source-code-file programs. I am kind of lost working on "big" projects like this. Unfortunately, most of the open source software I use, like OpenOffice, or Dev-C++, etc, are "big" (hundreds of pages of code, many source files, etc) and I wouldnt know where to start as far as adding a feature or fixing a bug. I know C++ very well, ie, how to use classes, pointers, inheritance, structures, loops, and pretty much all of the language features of C++, but I dont know how to work with "big" projects that use multiple source code files, libraries, data files, graphics resources, etc.

                    Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    On my first "professional" programming gig (circa 1994) after college I realized that no one had taught me how to build large systems, so all the files were #included together. X|

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      Maybe he is a fairly accomplished programmer - but a

                      Kevin Marois wrote:

                      2D flight simulator

                      is surely an oxymoron. Maybe a 2d Ant simulator but I am still trying to get my head around 2 dimensions and flight...

                      Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                      Steve Mayfield
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                      Up, Down, Left, Right and here is the graphics

                          \_|\_
                      

                      ---(X)-("")-(X)---
                      0 -- 0

                      Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am

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                      • S Steve Mayfield

                        Up, Down, Left, Right and here is the graphics

                            \_|\_
                        

                        ---(X)-("")-(X)---
                        0 -- 0

                        Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am

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                        GuyThiebaut
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                        My 2D ant simulator eats your 2d plane!

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                        Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          On my first "professional" programming gig (circa 1994) after college I realized that no one had taught me how to build large systems, so all the files were #included together. X|

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                          Steve Mayfield
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                          at least you were "thinking outside the box" :thumbsup:

                          Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am

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                          • K Kevin Marois

                            Check out this posting. Amusing. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/102155-any-cool-programming-project-ideas.html[^] and I quote... I guess I should mention, all of my programs have all of their code in one source code file, usually no more than 10 pages. I don't really know how to tell the compiler to compile multiple source code files that are supposed to form one program. I consider myself a fairly skilled programmer, in that I can write programs to solve complicated mathematical or scientific problems, or run cool simulations, like a basic 2D flight simulator (with VERY basic graphics, but very accurate flight modeling) or whatever. But these are usually short (<10 pages), one-source-code-file programs. I am kind of lost working on "big" projects like this. Unfortunately, most of the open source software I use, like OpenOffice, or Dev-C++, etc, are "big" (hundreds of pages of code, many source files, etc) and I wouldnt know where to start as far as adding a feature or fixing a bug. I know C++ very well, ie, how to use classes, pointers, inheritance, structures, loops, and pretty much all of the language features of C++, but I dont know how to work with "big" projects that use multiple source code files, libraries, data files, graphics resources, etc.

                            Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                            bryce
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                            that Maunder's CV you're reading again? *grin* Bryce

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                              at least you were "thinking outside the box" :thumbsup:

                              Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Only because I couldn't find the appropriate box.

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                              • L Leslie Sanford

                                Did you link to the wrong post? When I click the link, I'm taken to a post over three years old in which someone is asking for programming ideas.

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                                giuchici
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                                No, the cjmdjm guy that posted initially comes back a few posts below where you can find the quoted text. The guy is weird.

                                giuchici

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                                • L lewax00

                                  Who measures code length in pages?

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                                  My first program, written on the Timex Sinclair, was printed out on "cash register" paper. I measured it in feet...

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                                    My first program, written on the Timex Sinclair, was printed out on "cash register" paper. I measured it in feet...

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                                    lewax00
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                                    Then make sure to use a large font, it will make you look more productive! ;P

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                                    • K Kevin Marois

                                      Check out this posting. Amusing. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/102155-any-cool-programming-project-ideas.html[^] and I quote... I guess I should mention, all of my programs have all of their code in one source code file, usually no more than 10 pages. I don't really know how to tell the compiler to compile multiple source code files that are supposed to form one program. I consider myself a fairly skilled programmer, in that I can write programs to solve complicated mathematical or scientific problems, or run cool simulations, like a basic 2D flight simulator (with VERY basic graphics, but very accurate flight modeling) or whatever. But these are usually short (<10 pages), one-source-code-file programs. I am kind of lost working on "big" projects like this. Unfortunately, most of the open source software I use, like OpenOffice, or Dev-C++, etc, are "big" (hundreds of pages of code, many source files, etc) and I wouldnt know where to start as far as adding a feature or fixing a bug. I know C++ very well, ie, how to use classes, pointers, inheritance, structures, loops, and pretty much all of the language features of C++, but I dont know how to work with "big" projects that use multiple source code files, libraries, data files, graphics resources, etc.

                                      Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                      SeattleC
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                                      If you cannot do things in C++ that virtually every C++ programmer can do, then your claim to be skilled is suspect. If you cannot learn to do new things, then your claim to be a skilled programmer is suspect. The entire point of object oriented programming is to break up a big problem into a series of small problems that can be solved in a few pages. If you have not grasped this fact, then your claim to have any skill whatsoever in C++ is suspect. It's entirely possible that you are using a C++ compiler, but your programs are more like C programs, or assembler. What is it you lost between the time you learned to program and today, so that you cannot learn to do separate compilation? Go find that thing, and get it back. Then learn to compile multiple files. It's not that hard. In fact, any other C++ programmer should be able to explain it o you in five minutes. Perhaps you don't know any other programmers. Then you have no basis on which to compare your skill. Perhaps you're missing very basic concepts like what a compiler, linker, and loader does. If so your claim to skill is maybe not supported by any factual data at all.

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                                        Then make sure to use a large font, it will make you look more productive! ;P

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                                        Also be sure to use double spacing to increase productivity 200%.

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                                        • M Mark Bunds

                                          My first program, written on the Timex Sinclair, was printed out on "cash register" paper. I measured it in feet...

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                                          My first programs were input using punch cards, so I measured the deck thickness in inches. lol.

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