This is fairly tasteless
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I'm doing all I can to insure that here in South Carolina - a state Perry is depending on - the truth is known about this poseur. You could do with a little knowledge yourself. Perry's new-found role as a fundamentalist came about only because he discovered that it was a great way of getting elected in a state where fundamental Christianity is a belief practiced by many. Everything about his political career suggests that Perry is a chameleon, saying and "believing" what he thinks will get him elected. He remains a good friend to Al Gore, a man whose campaign for the Presidential nomination he managed, he favored amnesty as long as he was running for office in Texas, and he supported Clinton's attempt to create Hillarycare. In other words, he's a whore who will say and do anything that he thinks will get him elected. Right now he's talking right because he thinks that's how he can get the nomination. He'll move to the center if he gets it, in an attempt to force Obama to the left. As to the idea that somehow Perry, or Bachmann would be able to unilaterally repeal the First Amendment, I urge you to rethink your view of how the U.S. Constitution works. Not even Obama who sometimes seems to act as if he believed that a president reigns not serves, would attempt to monkey with the First Amendment. Isn't nice that you live in a country where, if you decide to give up your citizenship, the only thing that is said is, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave?"
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
Everything about his political career suggests that Perry is a chameleon, saying and "believing" what he thinks will get him elected
Lets be real honest here, how is that different from any other politician we have seen for the last few ages? I said it about the current one, the last few and most of the other politico's as well. They are already bought and paid for by the special interest groups, its just a matter of what lies they tell to get elected.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Politicians lie to make themselves seem BETTER candidates.
To who they are lying to. What I'm trying to get at is; these politicians are politicians. They want to hold office, and if lying to religious groups they will get them that, they will lie. I think you are afraid that these politicians are telling the truth to those that scare you. Why do you think this is the one time they are being truthful? I take solace in knowing it's aaalll smokescreen.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
A fair point. But they're going a long way to deliver these possible lies. Bachmann coming out and saying that "god" told her to run... That's not something you can explain away to the less religious voters. And Perry, who through his christapalooza was basically advocating that all of the world's problems can be solved through prayer? What the @%*)&? At least when Dubya played the game, he just delivered code words to the religious community, instead of coming out as a nutjob in public (He waited until after he was elected).
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Oakman wrote:
Everything about his political career suggests that Perry is a chameleon, saying and "believing" what he thinks will get him elected
Lets be real honest here, how is that different from any other politician we have seen for the last few ages? I said it about the current one, the last few and most of the other politico's as well. They are already bought and paid for by the special interest groups, its just a matter of what lies they tell to get elected.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
gavindon wrote:
how is that different from any other politician we have seen for the last few ages
2 guys I think that walk the walk are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. That, of course, means that they are both considered PITA by their colleagues.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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It was the constitution that enabled the US to do away with slavery. And, of course, very few seem to realize that throughout the existence of slavery, it was the dems who supported it, and the Republicans who fought it.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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gavindon wrote:
how is that different from any other politician we have seen for the last few ages
2 guys I think that walk the walk are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. That, of course, means that they are both considered PITA by their colleagues.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
2 guys I think that walk the walk are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. That, of course, means that they are both considered PITA by their colleagues.
And/or clinically insane.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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A colouring book designed to teach young children about the September 11 terrorist attacks[^] Not so much that it is wrong, but do young kids have to be aware of it?
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Eric_V wrote:
but do young kids have to be aware of it?
Have to be? No. Is the book being forced into these kids' hands? Are parents required to show it to their kids by some governmental authority? If so, this is a fundamental wrong and should be stamped out. If, on the other hand, if it a simply another book that is available because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law of the land, then I fail to see what concern it is to anyone. From what I could gather, the book tells the truth. It calls the Islamists who perpetrated 9/11 (and killed friends and co-workers of mine) hijackers and terrorists. It shows the United State exacting a very high price for 9/11. Parents who want their kids to understand what happened can give their kids the book. Parents who want to forgive and forget, or who simply believe their children are not old enough to be exposed to those truths, will keep the book away from their kids, and let them remain ignorant. Stupidity is a condition: ignorance is a choice and one that some people make, over and over again, but nonetheless, which is always correctable.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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Oakman wrote:
Stupidity is a condition: ignorance is a choice and one that some people make, over and over again, but nonetheless, which is always correctable.
Which brings us right back to the fact this this a coloring book. Now, of all things to explain to a child 9/11 is going to be one of the more difficult, as any instance of 'Yes there are people who want to kill you for often ill defined reasons' sits poorly with... pretty much everyone, let alone children. I was a teen when it happened, and honestly watched in utter disbelief as it did. Having gone through that I have to question, who with two functioning brain cells would present this portion of history to children through a god damn coloring book? I'm thinking they may have a condition, and a history of bad choices.
Quite, just why the hell does a three year old need to know this shit? Isn't life shitty enough without polluting the mind of an innocent with all the vile filth in the world? How about 'Nazi concentration camp colouring' books? That would be great, they can do the flames coming out of the ovens in all kinds of reds and oranges. Jesus Christ, enough is enough.
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Again, I ask if this book is being forced on any family against its will. If so, we need to fight it. If not, we need to remember that this country guarantees free speech. If it is being distributed by a school or other governmental agency, it needs to stop.
Distind wrote:
who with two functioning brain cells would present this portion of history to children through a god damn coloring book?
People who don't think they need your permission to publish?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
IT IS FUCKING TASTELESS! Regardless of whether it is imposed or not. There are certain rules in society you know that not all members of society wish to follow, hence the existence of extreme right hate groups. Thats the problem with democracy, with freedom, you give power to the stupid, selfish, and greedy. They really should be under some measure of controll you know.
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It is tasteless in my opinion. By the time I would feel comfortable exposing my children to that kind of hatred I would think they'll be past colouring books.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Typical Americanism!
Why am I not surprised that "God" has to be in the book as well. My country still associates Freedom with God.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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Doesn't necessarily mean a permanent move... Could go expat for a few years, until the country comes to its senses. The only trick is finding a programming job in Toronto.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Perhaps you should learn French? Won't this give you a better chance in Canada? Interestingly Canada is one of the countries I would consider emigrating to, if only it wasn't so damn cold for so long.
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Perhaps if I moved to Quebec, that would make sense... But the rest of Canada speaks primarily English.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Perhaps if I moved to Quebec, that would make sense... But the rest of Canada speaks primarily English.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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Eric_V wrote:
And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror?
Funnily enough, I have a couple of colouring books intended for medical students.
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Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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IT IS FUCKING TASTELESS! Regardless of whether it is imposed or not. There are certain rules in society you know that not all members of society wish to follow, hence the existence of extreme right hate groups. Thats the problem with democracy, with freedom, you give power to the stupid, selfish, and greedy. They really should be under some measure of controll you know.
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Eric_V wrote:
hence the existence of extreme right hate groups.
As opposed to extreme left hate groups who are always law-abiding citizens?
Eric_V wrote:
They really should be under some measure of controll you know.
No, I don't know. I do know that personal freedom is something viewed with suspicion by a number of arrogant little twirps. Of course you think that you personally should be in charge of deciding what should be read, published, and thought, but it's obvious to you that there are so many sheep out there that need your guidance and control. Pfaugh!
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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You should tell Oakman to shut the fuck up.
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Which part of "freedom of speech" don't you understand, troll?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
Which part of "freedom of speech" don't you understand
The part that allows racial hate speeches.
Oakman wrote:
troll?
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
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Oakman wrote:
Which part of "freedom of speech" don't you understand
The part that allows racial hate speeches.
Oakman wrote:
troll?
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
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Eric_V wrote:
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
That's not the definition of troll, though it is one that is often offered up by trolls as a defense of their posting of remarks designed to piss people off. Go away, fat_boy. You're a loser.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
