This is fairly tasteless
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Eric_V wrote:
but do young kids have to be aware of it?
Have to be? No. Is the book being forced into these kids' hands? Are parents required to show it to their kids by some governmental authority? If so, this is a fundamental wrong and should be stamped out. If, on the other hand, if it a simply another book that is available because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law of the land, then I fail to see what concern it is to anyone. From what I could gather, the book tells the truth. It calls the Islamists who perpetrated 9/11 (and killed friends and co-workers of mine) hijackers and terrorists. It shows the United State exacting a very high price for 9/11. Parents who want their kids to understand what happened can give their kids the book. Parents who want to forgive and forget, or who simply believe their children are not old enough to be exposed to those truths, will keep the book away from their kids, and let them remain ignorant. Stupidity is a condition: ignorance is a choice and one that some people make, over and over again, but nonetheless, which is always correctable.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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Oakman wrote:
Stupidity is a condition: ignorance is a choice and one that some people make, over and over again, but nonetheless, which is always correctable.
Which brings us right back to the fact this this a coloring book. Now, of all things to explain to a child 9/11 is going to be one of the more difficult, as any instance of 'Yes there are people who want to kill you for often ill defined reasons' sits poorly with... pretty much everyone, let alone children. I was a teen when it happened, and honestly watched in utter disbelief as it did. Having gone through that I have to question, who with two functioning brain cells would present this portion of history to children through a god damn coloring book? I'm thinking they may have a condition, and a history of bad choices.
Quite, just why the hell does a three year old need to know this shit? Isn't life shitty enough without polluting the mind of an innocent with all the vile filth in the world? How about 'Nazi concentration camp colouring' books? That would be great, they can do the flames coming out of the ovens in all kinds of reds and oranges. Jesus Christ, enough is enough.
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Again, I ask if this book is being forced on any family against its will. If so, we need to fight it. If not, we need to remember that this country guarantees free speech. If it is being distributed by a school or other governmental agency, it needs to stop.
Distind wrote:
who with two functioning brain cells would present this portion of history to children through a god damn coloring book?
People who don't think they need your permission to publish?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
IT IS FUCKING TASTELESS! Regardless of whether it is imposed or not. There are certain rules in society you know that not all members of society wish to follow, hence the existence of extreme right hate groups. Thats the problem with democracy, with freedom, you give power to the stupid, selfish, and greedy. They really should be under some measure of controll you know.
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It is tasteless in my opinion. By the time I would feel comfortable exposing my children to that kind of hatred I would think they'll be past colouring books.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Typical Americanism!
Why am I not surprised that "God" has to be in the book as well. My country still associates Freedom with God.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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Doesn't necessarily mean a permanent move... Could go expat for a few years, until the country comes to its senses. The only trick is finding a programming job in Toronto.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Perhaps you should learn French? Won't this give you a better chance in Canada? Interestingly Canada is one of the countries I would consider emigrating to, if only it wasn't so damn cold for so long.
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Perhaps if I moved to Quebec, that would make sense... But the rest of Canada speaks primarily English.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Perhaps if I moved to Quebec, that would make sense... But the rest of Canada speaks primarily English.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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Eric_V wrote:
And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror?
Funnily enough, I have a couple of colouring books intended for medical students.
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Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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IT IS FUCKING TASTELESS! Regardless of whether it is imposed or not. There are certain rules in society you know that not all members of society wish to follow, hence the existence of extreme right hate groups. Thats the problem with democracy, with freedom, you give power to the stupid, selfish, and greedy. They really should be under some measure of controll you know.
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Eric_V wrote:
hence the existence of extreme right hate groups.
As opposed to extreme left hate groups who are always law-abiding citizens?
Eric_V wrote:
They really should be under some measure of controll you know.
No, I don't know. I do know that personal freedom is something viewed with suspicion by a number of arrogant little twirps. Of course you think that you personally should be in charge of deciding what should be read, published, and thought, but it's obvious to you that there are so many sheep out there that need your guidance and control. Pfaugh!
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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Oakman wrote:
because the U.S. has a free press and free speech is guaranteed by the law
And racial hatred speaches are prohibited by law, I hope. :) I would hope this book doesnt cross the line, but fomr the description it looks like it might do. Did we find the need to create colouring books of Hitler and the Nazis, after they were defeated, in order to show young kids just how bad they were, perhaps with picture of emaciated jews behind barbed wires whose uniforms coulld be coloured in in nice blue and white stripes? Of course not. And secondly just why do kids of an age who use colouring books need to be exposed to this kind of horror? Truct is one thing, but do you want your 3 year old girl learning about all the vile filth in the world? I dont.
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You should tell Oakman to shut the fuck up.
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Which part of "freedom of speech" don't you understand, troll?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
Which part of "freedom of speech" don't you understand
The part that allows racial hate speeches.
Oakman wrote:
troll?
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
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Oakman wrote:
Which part of "freedom of speech" don't you understand
The part that allows racial hate speeches.
Oakman wrote:
troll?
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
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Eric_V wrote:
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
That's not the definition of troll, though it is one that is often offered up by trolls as a defense of their posting of remarks designed to piss people off. Go away, fat_boy. You're a loser.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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Eric_V wrote:
Nah, sorry, I am actually interested in what I write, and the discusion that might arise.
That's not the definition of troll, though it is one that is often offered up by trolls as a defense of their posting of remarks designed to piss people off. Go away, fat_boy. You're a loser.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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You should tell Oakman to shut the fuck up.
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He now thinks I am a pervert. Of course, he cant distinguish humour from reality. :)
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Oakman is an insufferable busybody. Soapbox 1.0 has been emptying since it turned into the cult of Oakman, which is why he's been increasingly spewing his narcissism into Soapbox 2.0.
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Oakman is an insufferable busybody. Soapbox 1.0 has been emptying since it turned into the cult of Oakman, which is why he's been increasingly spewing his narcissism into Soapbox 2.0.
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Oh, that explains it. His right wing love nest has emptied has it?
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Probably the same reason all of his wives left him.
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Again, I ask if this book is being forced on any family against its will. If so, we need to fight it. If not, we need to remember that this country guarantees free speech. If it is being distributed by a school or other governmental agency, it needs to stop.
Distind wrote:
who with two functioning brain cells would present this portion of history to children through a god damn coloring book?
People who don't think they need your permission to publish?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
I'll admit, I was largely angry at this because I thought it(a fairly crappy coloring book) was about as low as you could get exploiting 9/11. Then the last few weeks of commercials started, and I've seen this[^] and I think I've simply stopped caring. If the nation at large is going to exploit, manipulate and generally piss on in any way that gives them a gain monetary or political, I honestly don't think I care any more. Probably the largest event to occur in the nation since I was born, and the sheer exploitation and misrepresentation of it has left me not caring about it.
