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  • M Marc Clifton

    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

    It's this index starting at 0 or 1 problem again.

    What surprised me about that whole discussion is that nobody (well, I didn't read ALL the threads) offered the idea to design a language in which indexing with integers could be completely eliminated (well, except me, harhar). Marc

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    Pete OHanlon
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    Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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      Go COBOL!

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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        Ian Shlasko
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        Don't laugh too hard, Pete... It's been done. I spent a bit of time writing interactive fiction games (Text adventures, like the old HHG2G game), and though I didn't go this route, there's one interpreter that actually does let you code in natural language... Here's a sample of an open-source game by one of the most well-known designers in the community (Not me :) ) http://inform7.com/learn/eg/bronze/source.html[^]: Yes, that's program code. It doesn't look like it, but it is.

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        • M Marc Clifton

          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

          It's this index starting at 0 or 1 problem again.

          What surprised me about that whole discussion is that nobody (well, I didn't read ALL the threads) offered the idea to design a language in which indexing with integers could be completely eliminated (well, except me, harhar). Marc

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          Most use of indexes can be eliminated by holding a reference [them kids don't like me saying *pointer] to the element and moving forward or backwards along the array.


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            Most use of indexes can be eliminated by holding a reference [them kids don't like me saying *pointer] to the element and moving forward or backwards along the array.


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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            Marc Clifton
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            Nagy Vilmos wrote:

            Most use of indexes can be eliminated by holding a reference [them kids don't like me saying *pointer] to the element and moving forward or backwards along the array.

            :doh: I am embarrassed to have forgotten my C/C++ days! Marc

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              Don't laugh too hard, Pete... It's been done. I spent a bit of time writing interactive fiction games (Text adventures, like the old HHG2G game), and though I didn't go this route, there's one interpreter that actually does let you code in natural language... Here's a sample of an open-source game by one of the most well-known designers in the community (Not me :) ) http://inform7.com/learn/eg/bronze/source.html[^]: Yes, that's program code. It doesn't look like it, but it is.

              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
              Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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              Pete OHanlon
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              The long term lounge regulars should get my reference to programming in English. It was a major controversy a while back.

              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                Marc Clifton
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                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

                No way. I still want that huge touch screen wall where I can just move things around, like when Crusher's son reprogrammed the tractor beam into a repulsor beam. That's how programming should be done! Marc

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                  Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

                  No way. I still want that huge touch screen wall where I can just move things around, like when Crusher's son reprogrammed the tractor beam into a repulsor beam. That's how programming should be done! Marc

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                  Nagy Vilmos
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                  I just want something were I can think what I want the thing to do and it is done.


                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                    Most use of indexes can be eliminated by holding a reference [them kids don't like me saying *pointer] to the element and moving forward or backwards along the array.

                    :doh: I am embarrassed to have forgotten my C/C++ days! Marc

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                    Nagy Vilmos
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                    I have forgotten more than I know, that's for sure. Back in the day I have been high level in COBOL, Fortran C, C++ and myriad different scripting languages. Now I can barely manage a bit of Java and the odd foray into C#.


                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                      Most use of indexes can be eliminated by holding a reference [them kids don't like me saying *pointer] to the element and moving forward or backwards along the array.

                      :doh: I am embarrassed to have forgotten my C/C++ days! Marc

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      I'm getting back into C++, and having a ball.

                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        I'm getting back into C++, and having a ball.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        A lot of our server is written in C++, I pretend to not understand that 'complicated mumbo-jumbo' code. Scarily, I can still read it and understand SETF it is doing. Writing in C++ is a different sport all together and I'm not sure if it even uses balls.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                          A lot of our server is written in C++, I pretend to not understand that 'complicated mumbo-jumbo' code. Scarily, I can still read it and understand SETF it is doing. Writing in C++ is a different sport all together and I'm not sure if it even uses balls.


                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          Pete OHanlon
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                          I was a C/C++ programmer for years, so it's good for me to be looking at it again. You forget how coddled you are by .NET.

                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                            Ooh, I get to write one of these. I have to use Outlook at my client's site, and I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was stuck reporting 4 new emails in my inbox, even though there were none. Closing Outlook and restarting it fixed that problem. Now I notice it reports no new emails in my inbox, but I have several! [rant]WTF Microsoft. Can't you figure out how to count new emails???[/rant] Marc

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                            Henry Minute
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                            These are what MS have started to call 'Grey mail'[^] (Does that make them Emailence grise?). As we all know "All cats emails look grey in the dark." and I can't think of anywhere darker than the innards of Outlook.

                            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              Ooh, I get to write one of these. I have to use Outlook at my client's site, and I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was stuck reporting 4 new emails in my inbox, even though there were none. Closing Outlook and restarting it fixed that problem. Now I notice it reports no new emails in my inbox, but I have several! [rant]WTF Microsoft. Can't you figure out how to count new emails???[/rant] Marc

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                              NormDroid
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                              We have Outlook 2010 in our business, around 110+ licences and all various configs (Exchange accounts, POP3). We exprience around 4 faults per week, mainly with emails stuck sending (outbox syndrome). One reason thats cause the problem is PST file size. Try deleting mails (shift+delete).

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                Ooh, I get to write one of these. I have to use Outlook at my client's site, and I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was stuck reporting 4 new emails in my inbox, even though there were none. Closing Outlook and restarting it fixed that problem. Now I notice it reports no new emails in my inbox, but I have several! [rant]WTF Microsoft. Can't you figure out how to count new emails???[/rant] Marc

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                                CalvinHobbies
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                                possibly already said. I saw something like this once, but that was because mail was stuck on the server side. I have never seen it happen in a long to due to many of the systems I work with now are on exchange. could this be it too? filters? Was just thinkin.

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  Ooh, I get to write one of these. I have to use Outlook at my client's site, and I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was stuck reporting 4 new emails in my inbox, even though there were none. Closing Outlook and restarting it fixed that problem. Now I notice it reports no new emails in my inbox, but I have several! [rant]WTF Microsoft. Can't you figure out how to count new emails???[/rant] Marc

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                                  Roger Wright
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                                  Can't see any new emails? There's an easy fix for that. Highlight the first email in the Inbox, then press Ctrl-U. Voila! You have mail! :-D

                                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Ooh, I get to write one of these. I have to use Outlook at my client's site, and I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was stuck reporting 4 new emails in my inbox, even though there were none. Closing Outlook and restarting it fixed that problem. Now I notice it reports no new emails in my inbox, but I have several! [rant]WTF Microsoft. Can't you figure out how to count new emails???[/rant] Marc

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                                    No pity from me. We use Lotus Notes 8.5 here.

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                                      Careful. You'll be advocating programming in English next.

                                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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