Another language to learn!
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Google Dart. Not sure if this language gonna hit the nail. Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
AndyInUK wrote:
Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
I can only hope. Marc
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AndyInUK wrote:
Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
I assume you mean can Dart replace Javascript? Sadly, no. Javascript is too deeply entrenched and everybody (who isn't Google) seems to be deeply suspicious of Google.
If you are familiar with the history of IT you will read about many people saying a language is too entrenched, or no more progress can be made with hardware etc. Each and every time progress is made - and this is only in the last 60 years or so... I do not work at google and don't know what you mean about being suspicious of google - could you elaborate.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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If you are familiar with the history of IT you will read about many people saying a language is too entrenched, or no more progress can be made with hardware etc. Each and every time progress is made - and this is only in the last 60 years or so... I do not work at google and don't know what you mean about being suspicious of google - could you elaborate.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
"Each and every time progress is made" I refer you to: Significant New Inventions In Computing Since 1980[^] So that's none too much progress in the last 30 years, guess developer's are a conservative bunch at heart. Seriously though, I'd like to see something better in the Browser than JavaScript, but can't see it happening, unless (god forbid) developed by a committee, and that would almost certainly be worse.
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Dart is java, not much to learn really, but makes sense. Pretty sure Microsoft will hurry up with a Visual Dart++ (or Visual D# :) ) of some sort.
Sitalkes wrote:
Dart is java
Have you actually read the language spec? Obviously not! Java did not invent classes and interfaces, it just implemented them (badly). Dart, from what I see, does a bit better job of that, and is truly dynamic that makes things potentially a lot better. And its got closures from the start (Java added them later, which results in a compromised design). Gilad Bracha (co-author of Dart) used to work on the Java Lang Spec, and left Sun in frustration, so I'd be very surprised if he went off and re-wrote it for Google
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AndyInUK wrote:
Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
I can only hope. Marc
I'm giving you a 5 because I think you meant it can hopefully replace JS. If you meant the opposite, that hopefully Dart will be replaced by JS, let me know and I'll compensate by downvoting your next post ;-)
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If you are familiar with the history of IT you will read about many people saying a language is too entrenched, or no more progress can be made with hardware etc. Each and every time progress is made - and this is only in the last 60 years or so... I do not work at google and don't know what you mean about being suspicious of google - could you elaborate.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
GuyThiebaut wrote:
you will read about many people saying a language is too entrenched
The problem is that (initially at least) only Chrome will support Dart. What incentive is there for Microsoft or Mozilla to include this piece of Google technology? And without browser support, why would anybody code their website in it?
GuyThiebaut wrote:
I do not work at google and don't know what you mean about being suspicious of google - could you elaborate.
I heard a lot of comments complaining about the closed nature of the development of the language rather than the open (and complete ineffective) recent (non)development of JavaScript. I'm not saying it's right to be suspicious, just that a lot (of open source inclined) people are.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
you will read about many people saying a language is too entrenched
The problem is that (initially at least) only Chrome will support Dart. What incentive is there for Microsoft or Mozilla to include this piece of Google technology? And without browser support, why would anybody code their website in it?
GuyThiebaut wrote:
I do not work at google and don't know what you mean about being suspicious of google - could you elaborate.
I heard a lot of comments complaining about the closed nature of the development of the language rather than the open (and complete ineffective) recent (non)development of JavaScript. I'm not saying it's right to be suspicious, just that a lot (of open source inclined) people are.
Good points - thanks for the answer.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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"Each and every time progress is made" I refer you to: Significant New Inventions In Computing Since 1980[^] So that's none too much progress in the last 30 years, guess developer's are a conservative bunch at heart. Seriously though, I'd like to see something better in the Browser than JavaScript, but can't see it happening, unless (god forbid) developed by a committee, and that would almost certainly be worse.
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"Each and every time progress is made" I refer you to: Significant New Inventions In Computing Since 1980[^] So that's none too much progress in the last 30 years, guess developer's are a conservative bunch at heart. Seriously though, I'd like to see something better in the Browser than JavaScript, but can't see it happening, unless (god forbid) developed by a committee, and that would almost certainly be worse.
Thanks. For me the two biggest areas of change have been: The internet - this has had a huge impact on society in the past 15 years. IDE's for developers - I code .Net as a hobby and the VS IDE is just amazing - at work I use UltraEdit to code SAS and it comes nowhere near to VS.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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I'm giving you a 5 because I think you meant it can hopefully replace JS. If you meant the opposite, that hopefully Dart will be replaced by JS, let me know and I'll compensate by downvoting your next post ;-)
Rob Grainger wrote:
I'm giving you a 5 because I think you meant it can hopefully replace JS.
Hey, where's my 5??? ;) Yes, that is exactly what I meant. :) Marc
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Rob Grainger wrote:
I'm giving you a 5 because I think you meant it can hopefully replace JS.
Hey, where's my 5??? ;) Yes, that is exactly what I meant. :) Marc
I'm not Rob, but have a 5 anyway, heh. Flynn
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I'm not Rob, but have a 5 anyway, heh. Flynn
Flynn Arrowstarr / Regular Schmoe wrote:
I'm not Rob, but have a 5 anyway, heh.
Hmmm. CP is messing up on the "reply to" links. :~ Marc
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Google Dart. Not sure if this language gonna hit the nail. Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
NEVER. Because google is evil and will probably include automatic feedback to their ads. I don't trust google, nor ANYTHING they produce. It's very clear to me what their strategy is. NOTHING is free. There is a much darker purpose for Dart.
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Dart is java, not much to learn really, but makes sense. Pretty sure Microsoft will hurry up with a Visual Dart++ (or Visual D# :) ) of some sort.
I prefer just Visual D plugin with plain old D 2.0 :)
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Google Dart. Not sure if this language gonna hit the nail. Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
Well, according to this article on Los Techies[^], a simple Dart 'Hello World' program compiles to 17259 lines of code. :wtf:
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke! Life is too short to remove USB safely. Have you tried turning it off and on again? Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?
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Dart is java, not much to learn really, but makes sense. Pretty sure Microsoft will hurry up with a Visual Dart++ (or Visual D# :) ) of some sort.
That should be D-flat. On the keyboard, D-flat is the same as C-sharp. And I usually use a lower case b for the flat sign (like we use a hash sign for sharp), so we have Db, which also means database. D-sharp is a tone up from C-sharp, and the same as E-flat on the keyboard, which is contrary to the natural progression of the computer industry, which is ...
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That should be D-flat. On the keyboard, D-flat is the same as C-sharp. And I usually use a lower case b for the flat sign (like we use a hash sign for sharp), so we have Db, which also means database. D-sharp is a tone up from C-sharp, and the same as E-flat on the keyboard, which is contrary to the natural progression of the computer industry, which is ...
Need a version that's easy for old guys like me to pick up. It should have a catchy name, perhaps something that rhymes with Dart...
-dan
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Google Dart. Not sure if this language gonna hit the nail. Does anyone here think, it can be replaced with the Javascript?
You cannot go wrong by not bothering to learn a new language until 2 years after its first public release. If the language is *not* the Next Big Thing, you will never have to learn it at all. You'll know by two years. If the language is the Next Big Thing, it will have had a couple new releases and most of the early bugs and breaking changes will be out of the way. There's no way to keep current in 36 languages. You can only have a couple in your fingers at a given time. Yeah, once you've programmed in a given language for 5 years or so, you do have pretty permanent habits. But learning for learning's sake is mostly a dead-end game for practitioners.
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NEVER. Because google is evil and will probably include automatic feedback to their ads. I don't trust google, nor ANYTHING they produce. It's very clear to me what their strategy is. NOTHING is free. There is a much darker purpose for Dart.