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  • Z ZurdoDev

    "I will not believe anything on faith alone." You contradict yourself. Faith is believing in something you cannot see. You believe some guy in a white coat who told you that something happened 400,000 years ago. That is much more far stretched than believing in the Bible.

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    I can see the guy in the white coat because I can visit him if I so choose and I can prove they existed from multiple reliable sources. Can you say the same for your toga wearing hippie pixie?(No offense to hippies, or pixies)

    I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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      I can see the guy in the white coat because I can visit him if I so choose and I can prove they existed from multiple reliable sources. Can you say the same for your toga wearing hippie pixie?(No offense to hippies, or pixies)

      I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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      You have no idea of what you speak.

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      • Z ZurdoDev

        You have no idea of what you speak.

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        Really? Prove it.

        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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        • F fjdiewornncalwe

          Really? Prove it.

          I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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          Everything you have said proves you don't know what you are talking about.

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            Good effort but way off. I do not know what version of the Bible you are reading but some of those are VERY different than the King James version. 1. Genesis: Wow, what an assumption by you. 2. Joshua: "puts the Sun and Moon over the earth" These are YOUR words. That means the earth is flat? Are you insane? Please go look outside and tell me where yo see the sun and then tonight the moon. Seriously? You can't possibly have meant this but for the life of me I can't follow you on this one. 3. Again, what in the world version of the Bible are you reading? 4. OT does count. Don't twist my words. If what you say is true then Christ did not walk on water either. I don't know how it will be but yes I do know that everyone will see Christ when he comes again. Everyone, even on a round world. There is a law of physics you 1137s don't even know about. 5. Even modern language uses this term. That's because of maps being flat. Really? You don't even seem like you are trying.

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            ryanb31 wrote:

            1. Genesis:   Wow, what an assumption by you.

            6- And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Perhaps you need to actually read the text then. It is exactly what is said. (From your beloved KJV by the way)

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            2. Joshua: "puts the Sun and Moon over the earth"   These are YOUR words.   That means the earth is flat?   Are you insane?   Please go look outside and tell me where yo see the sun and then tonight the moon.   Seriously?   You can't possibly have meant this but for the life of me I can't follow you on this one.

            12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. Again, read the text. It specifically puts the sun and moon over a specific places on the earth. The ONLY way to interpret that is to assume that the earth is (at minimum) at the center with the sun and moon above the flat earthly disc. There is certainly no way you can twist these words into being a sun centered solar system.

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            3. Again, what in the world version of the Bible are you reading?

            22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Not sure what you are reading. This is again your KJV. Perhaps you should actually read your bible once in a while if you are going to claim to know what it says.

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            4. OT does count.   Don't twist my words.   If what you say is true then Christ did not walk on water either.   I don't know how it will be but yes I do know that everyone will see Christ when he comes again.   Everyone, even on a round world.   There is a law of physics you 1137s don't even know about.

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            • Z ZurdoDev

              Good effort but way off. I do not know what version of the Bible you are reading but some of those are VERY different than the King James version. 1. Genesis: Wow, what an assumption by you. 2. Joshua: "puts the Sun and Moon over the earth" These are YOUR words. That means the earth is flat? Are you insane? Please go look outside and tell me where yo see the sun and then tonight the moon. Seriously? You can't possibly have meant this but for the life of me I can't follow you on this one. 3. Again, what in the world version of the Bible are you reading? 4. OT does count. Don't twist my words. If what you say is true then Christ did not walk on water either. I don't know how it will be but yes I do know that everyone will see Christ when he comes again. Everyone, even on a round world. There is a law of physics you 1137s don't even know about. 5. Even modern language uses this term. That's because of maps being flat. Really? You don't even seem like you are trying.

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              Nagy Vilmos
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              ryanb31 wrote:

              OT does count

              Back to Leviticus it is then. Where're your Canadian slaves?


              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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              • F fjdiewornncalwe

                ryanb31 wrote:

                1. Genesis:   Wow, what an assumption by you.

                6- And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Perhaps you need to actually read the text then. It is exactly what is said. (From your beloved KJV by the way)

                ryanb31 wrote:

                2. Joshua: "puts the Sun and Moon over the earth"   These are YOUR words.   That means the earth is flat?   Are you insane?   Please go look outside and tell me where yo see the sun and then tonight the moon.   Seriously?   You can't possibly have meant this but for the life of me I can't follow you on this one.

                12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. Again, read the text. It specifically puts the sun and moon over a specific places on the earth. The ONLY way to interpret that is to assume that the earth is (at minimum) at the center with the sun and moon above the flat earthly disc. There is certainly no way you can twist these words into being a sun centered solar system.

                ryanb31 wrote:

                3. Again, what in the world version of the Bible are you reading?

                22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Not sure what you are reading. This is again your KJV. Perhaps you should actually read your bible once in a while if you are going to claim to know what it says.

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                4. OT does count.   Don't twist my words.   If what you say is true then Christ did not walk on water either.   I don't know how it will be but yes I do know that everyone will see Christ when he comes again.   Everyone, even on a round world.   There is a law of physics you 1137s don't even know about.

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                Nagy Vilmos
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                Maybe fix the formatting, but GOOD CALL! :thumbsup:


                Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                • N Nagy Vilmos

                  Maybe fix the formatting, but GOOD CALL! :thumbsup:


                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                  fjdiewornncalwe
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                  Thanks. I didn't notice the copy-paste issue with my tags until after I submitted.

                  I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                  • Z ZurdoDev

                    Yes, Pharaoh hardened his own heart.

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                    fjdiewornncalwe
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                    Then why does the bible say that god did it? Read the stories carefully before responding.

                    I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                    • Z ZurdoDev

                      Unfortunately, you have proven that you do not know the first thing about the Bible. If you did, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

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                      Ah yes. The old "You can't understand the bible because you're not a believer and the spirit hasn't revealed it to you" argument. :sigh:

                      I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                      • F fjdiewornncalwe

                        I can see the guy in the white coat because I can visit him if I so choose and I can prove they existed from multiple reliable sources. Can you say the same for your toga wearing hippie pixie?(No offense to hippies, or pixies)

                        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        No offence taken. But then I'm URC[^], so WTF would I know about God. :-D


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          Everything you have said proves you don't know what you are talking about.

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                          Nagy Vilmos
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                          Cyclical reasoning. You're wrong because I'm right doesn't wash in this man army. Neither do a lot of the troops, but that's another story.


                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          • N Nagy Vilmos

                            ryanb31 wrote:

                            OT does count

                            Back to Leviticus it is then. Where're your Canadian slaves?


                            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                            ZurdoDev
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                            I prefer the UK brand.

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                            • F fjdiewornncalwe

                              ryanb31 wrote:

                              1. Genesis:   Wow, what an assumption by you.

                              6- And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Perhaps you need to actually read the text then. It is exactly what is said. (From your beloved KJV by the way)

                              ryanb31 wrote:

                              2. Joshua: "puts the Sun and Moon over the earth"   These are YOUR words.   That means the earth is flat?   Are you insane?   Please go look outside and tell me where yo see the sun and then tonight the moon.   Seriously?   You can't possibly have meant this but for the life of me I can't follow you on this one.

                              12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. Again, read the text. It specifically puts the sun and moon over a specific places on the earth. The ONLY way to interpret that is to assume that the earth is (at minimum) at the center with the sun and moon above the flat earthly disc. There is certainly no way you can twist these words into being a sun centered solar system.

                              ryanb31 wrote:

                              3. Again, what in the world version of the Bible are you reading?

                              22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Not sure what you are reading. This is again your KJV. Perhaps you should actually read your bible once in a while if you are going to claim to know what it says.

                              ryanb31 wrote:

                              4. OT does count.   Don't twist my words.   If what you say is true then Christ did not walk on water either.   I don't know how it will be but yes I do know that everyone will see Christ when he comes again.   Everyone, even on a round world.   There is a law of physics you 1137s don't even know about.

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                              Wow. Blind does not even begin to describe you. You twisted everything so bad. You are definitely way out there. You can't get past the first understanding. I would have better success trying to teach my 2 year old dif eq than trying to explain anymore to you. You have no foundation and therefore cannot understand even the easiest concepts. Good luck with your continued faith in science only. Hope that goes well for you.

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                              • F fjdiewornncalwe

                                Then why does the bible say that god did it? Read the stories carefully before responding.

                                I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                                ZurdoDev
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                                Wow you really missed the boat on this one. If you go back, the discussion was about how man has made some changes to the Bible. Don't waste my time.

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                                • N Nagy Vilmos

                                  Cyclical reasoning. You're wrong because I'm right doesn't wash in this man army. Neither do a lot of the troops, but that's another story.


                                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                  That is not what I said which again proves what I just said, you don't even know what you are saying.

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                                  • F fjdiewornncalwe

                                    Ah yes. The old "You can't understand the bible because you're not a believer and the spirit hasn't revealed it to you" argument. :sigh:

                                    I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                                    Just because you can't understand that concept does not mean it is not true.

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                                    • Z ZurdoDev

                                      Wow. Blind does not even begin to describe you. You twisted everything so bad. You are definitely way out there. You can't get past the first understanding. I would have better success trying to teach my 2 year old dif eq than trying to explain anymore to you. You have no foundation and therefore cannot understand even the easiest concepts. Good luck with your continued faith in science only. Hope that goes well for you.

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                                      Nagy Vilmos
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                                      Again, you're just saying we're wrong and misinterpreting the Bible. What do you take it to mean, can you explain things differently. And as you brought up differential equations you'll understand this: SHOW YOUR WORKINGS


                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                      • Z ZurdoDev

                                        Wow you really missed the boat on this one. If you go back, the discussion was about how man has made some changes to the Bible. Don't waste my time.

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                                        Not really. You are claiming to follow a translation that was translated correctly, so my point stands as valid.

                                        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                                        • Z ZurdoDev

                                          Just because you can't understand that concept does not mean it is not true.

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                                          and just because you THINK you understand it does not make it true.

                                          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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