Words. Fail. Me.

Espen Harlinn

Hey Nagy, this is a bit scary - I had a similar meeting yeasterday ...

+-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+
| Source |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Destination |
+-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+

vs

+-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
| Source |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| Destination |
+-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

The WebSphere MQ can be reached from both the source and the destination ... and the guys arguing for the second approach are developers too. So yeah, I can understand your frustration :doh:

Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

Rajesh R Subramanian

Nagy Vilmos wrote:

I think the slow router takes the messages out to lunch first before forwarding anything.

:laugh:

"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

Corporal Agarn

Have a five. Had soda go out the nose on that one. Good thing no one is in the office at this time (late lunches).

Michael Bergman

I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

m.bergman

For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

Jorgen Andersson

:laugh:

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clientSurfer

Ouch. Well thanks and sorry about your nose...

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Jorgen Andersson

What arguments do they have?

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Luc Pattyn

If the first option were the better one, it ought to be more expensive. Hence... :)

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Espen Harlinn

I'll have to maintain a working relationship with these people - so I hope you'll understand that I can't go into specifics ;)

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Nagy Vilmos

The big issue is the redundancy / disaster recovery. With the fucked-up solution they need to have upgraded lines between every frakin point on the network to ensure the data gets through. with the direct approach we can simply put in two cross connects - one at each site - and the supplier deals with the rest. Simples. The client doesn't pay anymore for having the data fed into two places, so it seems to me a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the PM on their side has no brain.

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

Nagy Vilmos

Michael Bergman wrote:

I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

Their software. ;) It takes in each message and decides which router to send it to. The router software can actually do everything their f'uped bloatware does; only it's faster. I love having to keep 83 conflicting egos on the up at the same time. :-D

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

Luc Pattyn

I wouldn't bet any money on the outcome when a no-brainer is to decide on a no-brainer. :wtf:

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Jorgen Andersson

No problems, just curious.

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Nagy Vilmos

Take a bet on the f'uped solution; I think that's the way we'll go. Then when it goes FUBAR in production we'll suggest switching over to the sensible solution and charge them ++ for plugging in a cable and re-doing some simple config. Simples.

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

Nagy Vilmos

My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

Luc Pattyn

Sounds like a plan. :)

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Espen Harlinn

For the umptenth time I wish Den makalösa manicken[^] was available in english. It's about a professor that has created a somewhat overly complicated eternity engine - and the lyrics is oddly appropriate with regards to the endless number of transformations data goes through on it's way from a to b to c to d to e ... to z in this modern day and age.

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Jason Hooper

HA! Priceless, and oh so relevant to my life right about now. Needed that laugh :laugh:

Jason

Lost User

Best laugh I've had in a while - like the fluffy clouds :laugh:

It is an absolute certainty that there are no certainties. ~ Christopher Hitchens 1949-2011

Michael Bergman

As a person who prefers his own code to that of others' more concise, better behaved, and technically superior software, I have to side with the client on this. Besides, I have a soft spot in my brain for redundant processes. I think it may be a tumor.

m.bergman

For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg