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If it is not right, then do something about it. Write to your congressman, senator. Get onto the local news, join a protest march. This is America, make use of your rights before it is too late. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: Write to your congressman, senator i do. and i have a nice stack of form letter replies. i suppose if i attached a $5000 check i could maybe get a personal response. maybe for $50000 i could actually make a difference. maybe for $500000 i could get myself elected into a position where i could take bribes campaign contributions from people with agendas to buy. maybe for $50,000,000 i could get myself elected president (probably not, since i find myself unable to pander). -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: I simply feel that GWB is a danger to everything this country is supposed to be about. Like letting illegal aliens and criminals walk the street? I think your hate for Bush is clouding your judgement. Are you disgusted that these people were asked to register with the INS or that they were arrested for their crimes? Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: I think your hate for Bush is clouding your judgement i think my reasons for hating Bush give me reason to distrust his actions. -c
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: IMHO, the problem of illegal immigration isn't a recent phenomenon. True, but then again hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into crowded skyscrapers is. :| Times change and there are consequences for every action. Sometimes the innocent get caught up in the solution. Unfortunate but also nothing new. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: Sometimes the innocent get caught up in the solution First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller -c
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Christian Graus wrote: what the US is *supposed* to be about. I think a lot of people have a distorted view of what the US is supposed to be about. The US is a country not unlike many other countries. It's not perfect, but it's better than many. Mistakes are made, sometimes twice. Lessons are learned, sometimes the hard way. Sometimes we push too hard, sometimes not enough. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
I base my view on what it is *supposed* to be about by the rhetoric that I get fed through American controlled media, and by Americans every time I mention guns. But I'm not trying to bag America, like I said ( possibly not in this thread ), we're not really terribly different where I live. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
Not true, Christian. I suggest you come here and find out.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *I'd love to, who is paying ? ( Although the US is low on my list, after England, Ireland and Russia ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
Chris Losinger wrote: I simply feel that GWB is a danger to everything this country is supposed to be about. Like letting illegal aliens and criminals walk the street? I think your hate for Bush is clouding your judgement. Are you disgusted that these people were asked to register with the INS or that they were arrested for their crimes? Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Sometimes the innocent get caught up in the solution First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller -c
"Let's roll" Todd Beamer - September 11, 2001 just before a group of passengers on United Flight 93 gave their lives to save hundreds more. You have your heroes and I'll have mine. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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I base my view on what it is *supposed* to be about by the rhetoric that I get fed through American controlled media, and by Americans every time I mention guns. But I'm not trying to bag America, like I said ( possibly not in this thread ), we're not really terribly different where I live. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: I base my view on what it is *supposed* to be about by the rhetoric that I get fed through American controlled media... The sooner you start ignoring this propaganda the better. :-D Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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I'd love to, who is paying ? ( Although the US is low on my list, after England, Ireland and Russia ). Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: Although the US is low on my list, after England, Ireland and Russia 1. Replace England with Spain. I've been to both and Spain wins hands down. 2. Ireland rocks! 3. I'd rather see Australia than Russia. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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"Let's roll" Todd Beamer - September 11, 2001 just before a group of passengers on United Flight 93 gave their lives to save hundreds more. You have your heroes and I'll have mine. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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Christian Graus wrote: Although the US is low on my list, after England, Ireland and Russia 1. Replace England with Spain. I've been to both and Spain wins hands down. 2. Ireland rocks! 3. I'd rather see Australia than Russia. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
My interest in England and Russia is about the same. I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
The point is: You don't ask people to register, and when thex step forward, you put them in prison. Next time they won't. Would you step forward if you know prison awaits you?
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
peterchen wrote: Would you step forward if you know prison awaits you? No, but then again I don't commit crimes and I wouldn't attempt to stay in a country illegally by breaking immigration laws. This leads us to the crux of the situation: The ones who had committed no crimes or were here legally were not detained. I beleive the laws in Germany are very similar to the US in this area. If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? Also, if a foreigner violates immigration laws they can be detained or deported. True? Why does everyone expect the US to do anything different? Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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My interest in England and Russia is about the same. I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. I agree 100%. I love history and really enjoyed touring the Spanish countryside. I stayed in the Basque region for two weeks touring villages and their cathedrals. Remarkable!! Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! :-O Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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I wonder if they died for rounding up immigrants from islamic countries with "uncertain" status.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
On the morning of September 11, 2001 two distinct groups of people boarded flight 93. One group planned on arriving in San Francisco and seeing friends, family or business associates, the other group planned on killing everyone on board and hundreds of civilians. One group died trying to protect, the other trying to murder. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. I agree 100%. I love history and really enjoyed touring the Spanish countryside. I stayed in the Basque region for two weeks touring villages and their cathedrals. Remarkable!! Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! :-O Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! Um.. I agree with regard to history for all of Europe, but on this point, I should add I'd be travelling with my wife.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
On the morning of September 11, 2001 two distinct groups of people boarded flight 93. One group planned on arriving in San Francisco and seeing friends, family or business associates, the other group planned on killing everyone on board and hundreds of civilians. One group died trying to protect, the other trying to murder. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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peterchen wrote: Would you step forward if you know prison awaits you? No, but then again I don't commit crimes and I wouldn't attempt to stay in a country illegally by breaking immigration laws. This leads us to the crux of the situation: The ones who had committed no crimes or were here legally were not detained. I beleive the laws in Germany are very similar to the US in this area. If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? Also, if a foreigner violates immigration laws they can be detained or deported. True? Why does everyone expect the US to do anything different? Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? I guess it's the same everywhere. However: a) not every crime means arrest b) as much as I doubt all of the arrested were "innocent immigrants", I doubt that all of the arrests were reasonable c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". d) You seem to put full trust into "the law".
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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Mike Mullikin wrote: If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? I guess it's the same everywhere. However: a) not every crime means arrest b) as much as I doubt all of the arrested were "innocent immigrants", I doubt that all of the arrests were reasonable c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". d) You seem to put full trust into "the law".
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
peterchen wrote: c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". Seemed pretty effective to me. :) peterchen wrote: d) You seem to put full trust into "the law". No, but I also don't automatically assume "the law" is wrong either. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! Um.. I agree with regard to history for all of Europe, but on this point, I should add I'd be travelling with my wife.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: I should add I'd be travelling with my wife.... In that case if you make it to Spain, I HIGHLY recommend buying a pair of mirrored sunglasses so you can look without getting elbowed in the ribs every 2 minutes. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
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peterchen wrote: c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". Seemed pretty effective to me. :) peterchen wrote: d) You seem to put full trust into "the law". No, but I also don't automatically assume "the law" is wrong either. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: Seemed pretty effective to me Yep, effective in alienating the Islamic populaiton of the US - even tose living legally there, effective in destroying trust in state and federal offices. Sure, everybody is oblieged to followthe law. but just because its the law doesn't mean it's right. (cf. jus primae noctis)
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]