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  • Brian C HartB Brian C Hart

    David Stone wrote: Wow, my physics professor would be proud. Yeah, maybe :) Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? :confused: Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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    Brian Hart wrote: Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy :omg: :omg: :omg: :-) Cool! I have a friend in the same Univ. But I guess it's too large for you to know her :-) Nish


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      David Stone wrote: Wow, my physics professor would be proud. Yeah, maybe :) Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? :confused: Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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      Now wait a minute! The selection of Q, heat, is entirely arbitrary. One could as easily describe the universe in terms of C, cold, and define a new science of Cryodynamics. Heat, after all, is just the absence of Cold. You'd have to reverse the sign for standard enthalpy calculations, but the relative magnitudes wouldn't change. ;P "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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        Brian Hart wrote: Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy :omg: :omg: :omg: :-) Cool! I have a friend in the same Univ. But I guess it's too large for you to know her :-) Nish


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        Wow! Small world - I went to school there in 1973-74. Unfortunately being a DJ at the radio station was a lot more interesting than sitting in a lecture hall with 300 students, listening to a TA that can't speak English, so I quit. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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          If you drink something cold, it makes you cold. Duh. :P Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
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          drink my mojo! it keeps you hot baybeeeyy! ;):wtf: shagwell bayyeebey!

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            Guys My friend said that drinking cold water (or liquids like Coke, Pepsi etc...) only makes me feel colder. Is this true? If so, what's the scientific explanation? In fact ever since he told me that, I shiver a little more after having a chilled Coke :-( Nish


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            Your body can be treated, in a limited sense, as a closed system. Within its confines there exist a number of kcals of heat. When you introduce a fluid of lower temperature than the ambient, heat is transferred from your body to the new fluid to establish a new equilibrium. This has the effect of drawing heat out of your body, causing you to feel colder. Fortunately the body is a fairly good generator of heat, and as you metabolize food it releases heat into its own system as a byproduct of the process. If you're eating properly, a soft drink or two should have no lasting effect. Still, since you're in a cold climate, why not cut out the middleman and drink hot cocoa instead?:) It's quite good... "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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              Wow! Small world - I went to school there in 1973-74. Unfortunately being a DJ at the radio station was a lot more interesting than sitting in a lecture hall with 300 students, listening to a TA that can't speak English, so I quit. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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              Roger Wright wrote: listening to a TA that TA? What's a TA and why did you have to listen to it? Nish


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                Now wait a minute! The selection of Q, heat, is entirely arbitrary. One could as easily describe the universe in terms of C, cold, and define a new science of Cryodynamics. Heat, after all, is just the absence of Cold. You'd have to reverse the sign for standard enthalpy calculations, but the relative magnitudes wouldn't change. ;P "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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                Roger Wright wrote: Now wait a minute! The selection of Q, heat, is entirely arbitrary. One could as easily describe the universe in terms of C, cold, and define a new science of Cryodynamics. Heat, after all, is just the absence of Cold. You'd have to reverse the sign for standard enthalpy calculations, but the relative magnitudes wouldn't change. Uhm ok, but the whole point is if you drink cold water you feel cold eh? I liked you cocoa suggestion in the other post. I think I'll ask for some nhit chocolate though I am not sure many restaurants serve it here :-( Nish


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                  Your body can be treated, in a limited sense, as a closed system. Within its confines there exist a number of kcals of heat. When you introduce a fluid of lower temperature than the ambient, heat is transferred from your body to the new fluid to establish a new equilibrium. This has the effect of drawing heat out of your body, causing you to feel colder. Fortunately the body is a fairly good generator of heat, and as you metabolize food it releases heat into its own system as a byproduct of the process. If you're eating properly, a soft drink or two should have no lasting effect. Still, since you're in a cold climate, why not cut out the middleman and drink hot cocoa instead?:) It's quite good... "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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                  Roger Wright wrote: Still, since you're in a cold climate, why not cut out the middleman and drink hot cocoa instead? It's quite good... It's not available anywhere near where I work :-( Only a few places have even coffee :-( Nish


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                    drink my mojo! it keeps you hot baybeeeyy! ;):wtf: shagwell bayyeebey!

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                    MyMojo wrote: drink my mojo! it keeps you hot baybeeeyy! Did you just sign up 1 minute ago, to make this post? Nish


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                      Roger Wright wrote: listening to a TA that TA? What's a TA and why did you have to listen to it? Nish


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                      TA == Teachers_Assistant; You have to listen to it because it's there by the professor's authority.


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                        Roger Wright wrote: listening to a TA that TA? What's a TA and why did you have to listen to it? Nish


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                        Sorry...:-O TA= Teaching Assistant. In major Universities in the US, graduate students are often given reduced fees in exchange for teaching courses under the supervision of professors. At the time, professors were rewarded for doing research, not teaching, and at UCI we never saw our professors. Most of the teaching, and all of the after-hours tutoring, was done by TAs, and none of them spoke English. No one dared disturb a professor doing research that might bring money, in the form of a grant, to the university. I hope that has changed by now, but then it was a major problem. I quit to attend a state college, where teachers were paid to teach, and were expected to hold office hours after class to help students. I got a much better education as a result. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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                        • Brian C HartB Brian C Hart

                          David Stone wrote: Wow, my physics professor would be proud. Yeah, maybe :) Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? :confused: Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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                          Brian Hart wrote: Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... Oh man...I thought about you while writing that and was hoping that you wouldn't see that post. I knew I was gonna get grilled for that. :-O I've found that that's the best way to explain it in layman's terms. Those who don't understand the Celsius scale and definitely not the Kelvin scale don't get that there is no "cold", only "no heat".


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                            Roger Wright wrote: Now wait a minute! The selection of Q, heat, is entirely arbitrary. One could as easily describe the universe in terms of C, cold, and define a new science of Cryodynamics. Heat, after all, is just the absence of Cold. You'd have to reverse the sign for standard enthalpy calculations, but the relative magnitudes wouldn't change. Uhm ok, but the whole point is if you drink cold water you feel cold eh? I liked you cocoa suggestion in the other post. I think I'll ask for some nhit chocolate though I am not sure many restaurants serve it here :-( Nish


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                            They almost all serve it, Nish, and I highly recommend it. A nice mug of hot cocoa relaxes the nerves and helps to ensure a good night's sleep. It has no nasty side effects that I know of, other than the risk of growing fat (I doubt that you're in danger of that). I read somewhere that it contains caffeine, but my personal experience belies that claim. It knocks me out better than any remedy save one, and I'll save that one for another time. It gives young, handsome men too much of an advantage over young women, and I wouldn't want to corrupt you. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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                            • Brian C HartB Brian C Hart

                              David Stone wrote: Wow, my physics professor would be proud. Yeah, maybe :) Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? :confused: Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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                              Brian Hart wrote: just like black is not a colour Hmm... in my personal view of the universe, it depends on mixing additive or subtractive: white is no color for paper, black is no color for screens.


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                              • Brian C HartB Brian C Hart

                                David Stone wrote: Wow, my physics professor would be proud. Yeah, maybe :) Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? :confused: Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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                                Brian Hart wrote: There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? Actually, some people on Brazil from the University of São Paulo, once wrote a very good text about the "darkness theory" [A teoria do escuro]. It was a very fun text, with lots of experiences proving their points, they even got to some formulas! Basically, the universe is filled with a dark matter, and e.g., when you turn on a "dark sucker" [sugador de escuro] (aka light bulb), you are converting energy in work, sucking the dark in a place. That's why is so hard defining if light is energy or matter, it's because it doesn't exist at all! When I have the time, I'll translate it to english and post here, it's a very long text but very, very funny one. I see dumb people

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                                  They almost all serve it, Nish, and I highly recommend it. A nice mug of hot cocoa relaxes the nerves and helps to ensure a good night's sleep. It has no nasty side effects that I know of, other than the risk of growing fat (I doubt that you're in danger of that). I read somewhere that it contains caffeine, but my personal experience belies that claim. It knocks me out better than any remedy save one, and I'll save that one for another time. It gives young, handsome men too much of an advantage over young women, and I wouldn't want to corrupt you. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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                                  Roger Wright wrote: A nice mug of hot cocoa relaxes the nerves and helps to ensure a good night's sleep I second this! :-D In fact, cocoa in any form seems to make one feel great, but there is something special about curling up with a hot cup of cocoa on a cold day with a good book. :cool:


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                                    Roger Wright wrote: listening to a TA that TA? What's a TA and why did you have to listen to it? Nish


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                                    Nishant S wrote: TA? What's a TA and why did you have to listen to it? Watch it, Nish -- I'm a TA. :D TA (n) (1) acronym for Teaching Assistant. (2) A low-paid slave labourer who is forced to weekly (or sometimes more often) lecture on esoteric topics to spoiled rich kids (whose mommies and daddies pay all of their tuition) who would rather be skateboarding or surfing, either of which not in the classroom. This slave labourer is also forced to grade the students' homeworks and exams, as if the graduate student in question did not already have enough to do. At least, that would be what a cynic would say. I don't know about other UC Irvine depts., but in Physics you must pass the TSE (Test of Spoken English) satisfactorily otherwise you are not allowed contact with the students, and all you can do is grade if you want the Department to pay you anything. :) BTW, who is this person you mentioned earlier, maybe I do know them... Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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                                      Guys My friend said that drinking cold water (or liquids like Coke, Pepsi etc...) only makes me feel colder. Is this true? If so, what's the scientific explanation? In fact ever since he told me that, I shiver a little more after having a chilled Coke :-( Nish


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                                      Scientifically, as you know, your surroundings feeling hot or cold is explained by your surroundings being hotter, or colder than your body temp. When drinking cold drinks, you may be lowernig the temp of ur body, so that it is closer to that of the surroundings, but, your body does its absolute best to keep your body at 37ºC, so the cold drink is trying to lower your body temp, and that is what makes you feel cold. -- A Paper By: Professor Nnamdi Onyeyiri If you were able to follow that - wow - i was getting lost at the end. BTW, this is a load of dribble, based on the first paragraph, which is the only bit i know to be true. The rest, is a part of my *logical* thought process.

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                                        David Stone wrote: Wow, my physics professor would be proud. Yeah, maybe :) Until you said the part about the "Coke's 'cold' will go into you"... tsk tsk tsk... There is only heat, no "cold" -- just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white? :confused: Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine

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                                        Brian Hart wrote: There is only heat, no "cold" There was a unit to measure the "cooling" in the past, the frigorie (1 frigorie (fg) = - 1 kcal = -4.185 kJ) :) Just a question of point of view, but I don't wan't to give lessons about Relativity to a member of the Department of Physics and Astronomy ;) Brian Hart wrote: just like black is not a colour, but the absence of all colour... or is that white If a color is defined as a light reflection, black could be considered as an absence of color, IMO


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                                          Guys My friend said that drinking cold water (or liquids like Coke, Pepsi etc...) only makes me feel colder. Is this true? If so, what's the scientific explanation? In fact ever since he told me that, I shiver a little more after having a chilled Coke :-( Nish


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                                          Do this simple little test to show how the body reacts to temperature. Get three glasses. Line them up. But ice cold water in one on the edge, room temperature water in the one in the middle and hot water [don't burn yourself] in the one on the right. Put one finger from each hand into the other glasses [i.e. the cold water and the hot water] and leave there for about 30 seconds... then put both finger in the middle glass??? Notice anything... You "read" the temperature as being cold with the finger that was in the cold water and hot with the finger that was in the hot water but they will equalise after about 15 to twenty seconds. There was some weird biological explanation for this when I was in school but I haven't done biology in about 9 years so bugger me if I know the answer. Basically we react to temperatures by reading them dependant on the ambient temperature around the part of our body that the temperature is being applied to... or so I've been led to believe. I could be completely wrong here so if I am could somebody please let me know. Regards, Brian Dela :-) "There should be an amendment to the constitution, that every president must be examined for paranoia before moving into office." - peterchen

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