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  • B Big Daddy Farang

    I think sugar is a huge contributor to the diabetes problem. Also other bad dietary choices people routinely make. Some years ago we got the idea that low-fat was the way to go. Consumers bought the idea and "food" manufacturers started reducing fat content in their products. But then it tasted like crap so they increased their use of what ingredient? Sugar. I'll stop now before a full-blown rant develops. :)

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    Christian Graus
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    Yes, exactly. And it's sugar, not fat, that is the issue. That's why the rise of people eating low fat has had a corresponding rise in heart disease, diabetes, etc.

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    • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

      Christian Graus wrote:

      What is mm as a measure of weight or area ?

      Sorry 1000mg got a nervous twitch in my fingers. :) I also use artificial sweetener but not very often, hate the taste of it. Had an Agent Orange screening a while back and was diagnosed with Type-II diabetes so have been trying to lay off the sugar. It's hard to break because it's in a lot of stuff we consume, at least here in the US. May be a reason for weight gain also but there are a lot of other factors there.

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      Mike Hankey wrote:

      I also use artificial sweetener but not very often, hate the taste of it.

      I use dextrose, which is pure glucose. It's half of sugar, in other words. Still high calorie, but, used sparingly, it's fine, your body knows how to process glucose.

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      It's hard to break because it's in a lot of stuff we consume, at least here in the US. May be a reason for weight gain also but there are a lot of other factors there.

      Sugar is the main factor, I am convinced. My second month off sugar was in the US, and I ate sugar, but tried to control it. I still lost weight, so it's possible, even if you're eating out a lot. I eat more fat than I ever did before, especially animal fats, and I am keeping this weight off, no issues.

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      • L Lost User

        When my mum was young they would have sugar sandwiches for dinner. The bread and sugar being very, very cheap.

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        Here they'd eat bread and dripping, same reasons.

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        • P Pascal Ganaye

          I was always a bit dubious of the many 0% fat food you can find in supermarkets. Quite often they contains a very large amount of sugar, to the point of being the first ingredient in the list. The dogma in England appeared to be that fat make you fat. The word sugar in the contrary carry a rather positive meaning: 'sweet'. Beyond the food industry responsabilities, I wonder how much the weight of the words contributes to the obesity epidermic.

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          Christian Graus
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          Sugar is what you need to add, to make no fat food edible. The dogma worldwide is that fat makes you fat. I've been reading all about the origins of the idea, but it's wrong.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          • L Lost User

            There's a really good lecture on sugar and our metabolism that really changed my outlook on sugar in my diet (I used to be a sugar addict; now no longer!) Here's the lecture on youtube[^]. Recommended :thumbsup:

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            Christian Graus
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            Ah yes, I've seen this one. It seems to me like a lot of people are starting to promote this ( or they always have but I'm noticing now that I'm aware of it ).

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            • C Christian Graus

              So, 60 Minutes in the US and in Australia ran two stories recently on the bad effects of eating sugar. I recently bought these[^] books and stopped eating sugar. I lost 10 kg the first month, 6 the second, and am stable at about 87 kg, whereas I was 102 before and slowly growing. Did anyone else see the shows or anything else and do the same ?

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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              You probably more precisely mean that you've stopped eating *added* sugar. I don't think it's possible to cut out all sugar in everything. *meaning sucrose.

              The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                Mike Hankey wrote:

                I also use artificial sweetener but not very often, hate the taste of it.

                I use dextrose, which is pure glucose. It's half of sugar, in other words. Still high calorie, but, used sparingly, it's fine, your body knows how to process glucose.

                Mike Hankey wrote:

                It's hard to break because it's in a lot of stuff we consume, at least here in the US. May be a reason for weight gain also but there are a lot of other factors there.

                Sugar is the main factor, I am convinced. My second month off sugar was in the US, and I ate sugar, but tried to control it. I still lost weight, so it's possible, even if you're eating out a lot. I eat more fat than I ever did before, especially animal fats, and I am keeping this weight off, no issues.

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                Mike Hankey
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                Christian Graus wrote:

                I use dextrose, which is pure glucose.

                Thanks I never really researched it but good to know. I'll have to look up some on the subject.

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                • J jeron1

                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  Caramel sauce

                  Gee thanks, guess what I'm getting after work? :rolleyes:

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                  jeron1 wrote:

                  guess what I'm getting after work?

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                  • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                    You probably more precisely mean that you've stopped eating *added* sugar. I don't think it's possible to cut out all sugar in everything. *meaning sucrose.

                    The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                    Christian Graus
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                    Yes, I mean fructose, not sugar. And I do eat some fruit still, so you're right in that sense, too.

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      So, 60 Minutes in the US and in Australia ran two stories recently on the bad effects of eating sugar. I recently bought these[^] books and stopped eating sugar. I lost 10 kg the first month, 6 the second, and am stable at about 87 kg, whereas I was 102 before and slowly growing. Did anyone else see the shows or anything else and do the same ?

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      Cereal 500 (Primary Energy source) beer (per 500ml) 218 (Fun juice) Caesin 120 x 3 = 360 (Protein) Subway six inch 450 (For the vegetables only, taste shit.) Pork Chop 175 x 4 = 700 --------------------------- Total (No cereal) = 1728 <-- cut diet for better abdominal definition (three days a week) Total (With cereal) = 2228 <-- gain diet (four days a week) [Got to admit diet extremely boring]

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                        Cereal 500 (Primary Energy source) beer (per 500ml) 218 (Fun juice) Caesin 120 x 3 = 360 (Protein) Subway six inch 450 (For the vegetables only, taste shit.) Pork Chop 175 x 4 = 700 --------------------------- Total (No cereal) = 1728 <-- cut diet for better abdominal definition (three days a week) Total (With cereal) = 2228 <-- gain diet (four days a week) [Got to admit diet extremely boring]

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                        Most cereal contains sugar, so does most bread and salad dressing. What is Caesin ?

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                          Most cereal contains sugar, so does most bread and salad dressing. What is Caesin ?

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                          Caesin should be cheese. From Wikipedia: Casein ( /ˈkeɪs.ɪn/ or /ˈkeɪˌsiːn/, from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoproteins (αS1, αS2, β, κ). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow milk and between 20% and 45% of the proteins in human milk. Casein has a wide variety of uses, from being a major component of cheese, to use as a food additive, to a binder for safety matches. As a food source, casein supplies amino acids; carbohydrates; and two inorganic elements, calcium and phosphorus.

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            So, 60 Minutes in the US and in Australia ran two stories recently on the bad effects of eating sugar. I recently bought these[^] books and stopped eating sugar. I lost 10 kg the first month, 6 the second, and am stable at about 87 kg, whereas I was 102 before and slowly growing. Did anyone else see the shows or anything else and do the same ?

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            I gave up all forms of sugar and refined carbs on 5/1/2012. Since that time, with only mild exercise, I've dropped a total of 23 lbs. There are other benefits I've seen too: my skin isn't dry anymore, I don't get headaches (except before the monthly build), I don't get indigestion, and I sleep like a baby. Truly amazing stuff...I doubt I will go back to my old ways. What got me on this was reading Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Or, check out his book Why We Get Fat & What To Do About It (basically GC, BC without all the case studies). Amazing stuff. He wrote a controversial article in the NY Times back in 2002 called "What If It's All Been A Big Fat Lie?" in which he showed that fat doesn't necessarily make us that way. Anyone seen/heard about/read anything by Mr. Taubes? I highly recommend at least listening to one of his speeches.

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                              I gave up all forms of sugar and refined carbs on 5/1/2012. Since that time, with only mild exercise, I've dropped a total of 23 lbs. There are other benefits I've seen too: my skin isn't dry anymore, I don't get headaches (except before the monthly build), I don't get indigestion, and I sleep like a baby. Truly amazing stuff...I doubt I will go back to my old ways. What got me on this was reading Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Or, check out his book Why We Get Fat & What To Do About It (basically GC, BC without all the case studies). Amazing stuff. He wrote a controversial article in the NY Times back in 2002 called "What If It's All Been A Big Fat Lie?" in which he showed that fat doesn't necessarily make us that way. Anyone seen/heard about/read anything by Mr. Taubes? I highly recommend at least listening to one of his speeches.

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                              Big fat lies is the name of the first book I read, too :-) I've not heard of him, no, I will check it out.

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                                Most cereal contains sugar, so does most bread and salad dressing. What is Caesin ?

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                "Most cereal contains sugar, so does most bread and salad dressing." > Yes but it works so far - it's whether you eat above/below your daily intake which decides whether you gain/lose fat. Apparently I am eating below. Also, I skip dressing when i order from Subway. "What's caesin" > Muscle building protein - if you don't want to eat ten pork chops per day and if you still want to gain lean muscle mass, then Caesin = lean protein @ ~120 calories (25g protein) per scope. Taste awful however.

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                                  "Most cereal contains sugar, so does most bread and salad dressing." > Yes but it works so far - it's whether you eat above/below your daily intake which decides whether you gain/lose fat. Apparently I am eating below. Also, I skip dressing when i order from Subway. "What's caesin" > Muscle building protein - if you don't want to eat ten pork chops per day and if you still want to gain lean muscle mass, then Caesin = lean protein @ ~120 calories (25g protein) per scope. Taste awful however.

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                                  Christian Graus
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                                  Yes, it will work. As you say, any diet will, so long as you eat less than you use. The point of not eating sugar is that instead of not eating by force of will, you just don't want to.

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    Yes, it will work. As you say, any diet will, so long as you eat less than you use. The point of not eating sugar is that instead of not eating by force of will, you just don't want to.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    yes that's why some days I cut out the cereal anyway, following this diet what's occupying my mind most days is the lamb kebab street vendor downstairs ... (something only reserved for the weekend's)

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                                      yes that's why some days I cut out the cereal anyway, following this diet what's occupying my mind most days is the lamb kebab street vendor downstairs ... (something only reserved for the weekend's)

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                                      Christian Graus
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                                      That sounds nice. I'd just eat it if I wanted, I don't count calories at all, I just eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full. Doesn't sound earthshattering, but eating no sugar, ever, mean that my appetite control works.

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                                        That sounds nice. I'd just eat it if I wanted, I don't count calories at all, I just eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full. Doesn't sound earthshattering, but eating no sugar, ever, mean that my appetite control works.

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                                        devvvy
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                                        yes just cut out the sugar which doesn't contribute anything good food does put you in a good mood no kidding

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                                          yes just cut out the sugar which doesn't contribute anything good food does put you in a good mood no kidding

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                                          Christian Graus
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                                          Exactly.

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