Vaccinations
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ryanb31 wrote:
They claim they aren't sure it was caused by the vaccine but why post it? Because there is good evidence it is related.
Not really. It's because they got the vaccination (A), and then something happened (B). Just because B follows A doesn't mean A caused B. For any drug or intervention, every A/B combination that was documented is reported irrespective of plausibility or evidence. The plausibility of causality and discerning the actual evidence that A caused B is a much more complex task.
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Yes, but you are focusing in on one single point. Even take that one out and you still have enough evidence. However, they posted it because they know there is a chance. Look at how they word a lot of the other ones. Other ones simply say something generic, like "there may have been other serious side effects..." but in the case I quoted they were specific. Either way, that should be plenty of evidence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ryanb31 wrote:
It's a rhetorical question but has a doctor ever cured anything?
Cancers - leukemias (especially kids who have a very chemo-sensitive population of cancer cells), diffuse large B cell lymphomas are very susceptible, skin and other localized cancers (by excision), localized radiation therapy for some cancers is curative Infections - bacterial - antibiotics - of the skin, eyes, mouth, chest, bladder, intraabdominal etc, fungal - antifungals - same sites + more, protozoal infections Surgical repairs of defective tissues - valve replacements, aneurysm repairs, coiling, repair of embryonic heart defects strabismus - eye patching non-healing ulcers - rigorous wound care, properly ordered and applied dressings And lots, lots, more...
ryanb31 wrote:
Is there any medicine that does not have potential side effects?
Anything that has an effect will have potential side effects. Anything that is claimed to have no side effects probably has no actual effect either (other than placebo). It simply doesn't make physiological sense otherwise.
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Anything that has an effect will have potential side effects.
I'm referring to negative side effects. If I eat an apple I am healthier with no negative side effects.
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Cancers
Cancers are not cured by doctors. Even the medical industry claims there is no cure for cancer. There are all kinds of "walks to find a cure." Some cancers are destroyed from someones body but that is not a cure. If the person survives the treatment they may not have any cancer left but that is not a cure. Surgical repairs are not cures. I'm talking about diseases and sicknesses.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yes, but you are focusing in on one single point. Even take that one out and you still have enough evidence. However, they posted it because they know there is a chance. Look at how they word a lot of the other ones. Other ones simply say something generic, like "there may have been other serious side effects..." but in the case I quoted they were specific. Either way, that should be plenty of evidence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
You need to understand that there is a big difference between "these are problems which have been reported following the vaccine" and "these are things clearly/likely caused by the vaccine" and the site is pretty clear about distinguishing between these. Your assumption that because they are reporting them means there must be some additional evidence beyond the fact that they were temporally related is incorrect.
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Anything that has an effect will have potential side effects.
I'm referring to negative side effects. If I eat an apple I am healthier with no negative side effects.
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Cancers
Cancers are not cured by doctors. Even the medical industry claims there is no cure for cancer. There are all kinds of "walks to find a cure." Some cancers are destroyed from someones body but that is not a cure. If the person survives the treatment they may not have any cancer left but that is not a cure. Surgical repairs are not cures. I'm talking about diseases and sicknesses.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
If I eat an apple I am healthier with no negative side effects.
You've added calories to your diet which may or may not be negative. You've potentially ingested carcinogens or pesticides on the skin of the apple. You've potentially ingested fungus which if you're immunocompromised may or may not be a big deal. Sure, your body can generally deal with these. But it's not like there's not a downside. I would also argue that you're not necessarily any "healthier" by eating an apple. The determinants of health is a pretty complex topic.
ryanb31 wrote:
Some cancers are destroyed from someones body but that is not a cure.
Cancer, by definition, is a propagation of cells that have lost their ability for self-regulation of growth and apoptosis(self destruction). How is removing or destroying these cells so that they never bother the patient again not a cure? There are thousands of cancers, a few of which we know enough about to do something about them, a few of those are completely curable in that with appropriate intervention they will never bother the patient again. Surgery is a huge part of the domain of medical practice (since some medical specialties treat by both medical and surgical means) so I don't think I'm going to let you move those goalposts without a good reason. Why doesn't surgery count as curative? Why don't antibiotics count as curative?
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You need to understand that there is a big difference between "these are problems which have been reported following the vaccine" and "these are things clearly/likely caused by the vaccine" and the site is pretty clear about distinguishing between these. Your assumption that because they are reporting them means there must be some additional evidence beyond the fact that they were temporally related is incorrect.
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Since you want to focus on just one of them and ignore the rest, here is another statement "Since then, flu vaccines have not been clearly linked to GBS." Which means that prior to this case they were clearly linked.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ryanb31 wrote:
If I eat an apple I am healthier with no negative side effects.
You've added calories to your diet which may or may not be negative. You've potentially ingested carcinogens or pesticides on the skin of the apple. You've potentially ingested fungus which if you're immunocompromised may or may not be a big deal. Sure, your body can generally deal with these. But it's not like there's not a downside. I would also argue that you're not necessarily any "healthier" by eating an apple. The determinants of health is a pretty complex topic.
ryanb31 wrote:
Some cancers are destroyed from someones body but that is not a cure.
Cancer, by definition, is a propagation of cells that have lost their ability for self-regulation of growth and apoptosis(self destruction). How is removing or destroying these cells so that they never bother the patient again not a cure? There are thousands of cancers, a few of which we know enough about to do something about them, a few of those are completely curable in that with appropriate intervention they will never bother the patient again. Surgery is a huge part of the domain of medical practice (since some medical specialties treat by both medical and surgical means) so I don't think I'm going to let you move those goalposts without a good reason. Why doesn't surgery count as curative? Why don't antibiotics count as curative?
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You've added calories to your diet
Talk about splitting hairs. So, why does the medical industry claim there is no cure for cancer? By the way, I do know there is and know people that have cured it from eating healthy. But the medical and scientific community do not acknowledge a cure.
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Why doesn't surgery count as curative
I can lose weight by cutting off my leg. It's an extreme example but cutting something out is not curing it. Ridding maybe, but not curing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Since you want to focus on just one of them and ignore the rest, here is another statement "Since then, flu vaccines have not been clearly linked to GBS." Which means that prior to this case they were clearly linked.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yes, that the 1976 inactivated flu vaccine was pretty clearly linked with GBS. The new ones are not. I don't understand what your point is?
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You've added calories to your diet
Talk about splitting hairs. So, why does the medical industry claim there is no cure for cancer? By the way, I do know there is and know people that have cured it from eating healthy. But the medical and scientific community do not acknowledge a cure.
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Why doesn't surgery count as curative
I can lose weight by cutting off my leg. It's an extreme example but cutting something out is not curing it. Ridding maybe, but not curing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
So, why does the medical industry claim there is no cure for cancer?
Cancer is not one disease and most forms do not have a definitive cure. You do realize that "the medical industry" is not a thing, right? It's not like there's a hive mind that issues press releases.
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By the way, I do know there is and know people that have cured it from eating healthy.
No you don't. You know people who ate "healthy" and their "cancer" went away. Do you understand the distinction?
ryanb31 wrote:
It's an extreme example but cutting something out is not curing it. Ridding maybe, but not curing.
That's a stupid example because it's not anything that we would actually do. Whereas repair of heart defects, prosthetic valves, angioplasty, coils, or cutting out a tumor are. So how are those not cures? If the basic problem in cancer is a growth of malignant cells and we get rid of those cells and they never come back, how is it not a cure?
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You are wordsmithing. Even the CDC admits they are linked and there is evidence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
The fuck? You don't think there's a difference in manufacturing processes or, i dunno, in the viral proteins since 1976 (you know, evolution) that could explain the fact that the new flu vaccines wouldn't necessarily be associated with GBS even if the old ones were? Are you high?
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ryanb31 wrote:
So, why does the medical industry claim there is no cure for cancer?
Cancer is not one disease and most forms do not have a definitive cure. You do realize that "the medical industry" is not a thing, right? It's not like there's a hive mind that issues press releases.
ryanb31 wrote:
By the way, I do know there is and know people that have cured it from eating healthy.
No you don't. You know people who ate "healthy" and their "cancer" went away. Do you understand the distinction?
ryanb31 wrote:
It's an extreme example but cutting something out is not curing it. Ridding maybe, but not curing.
That's a stupid example because it's not anything that we would actually do. Whereas repair of heart defects, prosthetic valves, angioplasty, coils, or cutting out a tumor are. So how are those not cures? If the basic problem in cancer is a growth of malignant cells and we get rid of those cells and they never come back, how is it not a cure?
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So you claim that a doctor getting rid of cancer cells is a cure but eating healthy to get rid of what is actually causing the cancer cells is not a cure? Serious? Come on. Are you just trolling around now?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The fuck? You don't think there's a difference in manufacturing processes or, i dunno, in the viral proteins since 1976 (you know, evolution) that could explain the fact that the new flu vaccines wouldn't necessarily be associated with GBS even if the old ones were? Are you high?
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Stop focusing on that one. There are pages and pages of information that back up what I was saying. Turn off your tunnel vision.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
But I don't understand your point?!? That vaccines have side effects? Who's denying that? I'm just saying that just because they're listed on that webpage doesn't mean that the CDC is implying there is a causal association - and for most of them, it's pretty easy to tell EXACTLY what they mean!?!?
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So you claim that a doctor getting rid of cancer cells is a cure but eating healthy to get rid of what is actually causing the cancer cells is not a cure? Serious? Come on. Are you just trolling around now?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
what is actually causing the cancer cells
Oh, okay. Well, why don't you explain to me what's actually causing the cancer cells that "eating healthy" gets rid of? Because, you know, in all my training I haven't come across the One True Cause For Cancer(TM) and The One True Cure(TM). Shockingly, all the clinical science, histology, pathology, genetics, and basic science that I studied have failed to reveal it.
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But I don't understand your point?!? That vaccines have side effects? Who's denying that? I'm just saying that just because they're listed on that webpage doesn't mean that the CDC is implying there is a causal association - and for most of them, it's pretty easy to tell EXACTLY what they mean!?!?
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ryanb31 wrote:
what is actually causing the cancer cells
Oh, okay. Well, why don't you explain to me what's actually causing the cancer cells that "eating healthy" gets rid of? Because, you know, in all my training I haven't come across the One True Cause For Cancer(TM) and The One True Cure(TM). Shockingly, all the clinical science, histology, pathology, genetics, and basic science that I studied have failed to reveal it.
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Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment. You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money and they want a drug. There is no drug that will cure cancer.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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My point is people are having a hard time believing that vaccines can cause mental disorders, and there it is, right on the CDC page.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
and there it is, right on the CDC page.
Because of GBS? GBS is not a mental disorder. It's a generally reversible autoimmune condition targeting myelin. It's only related to "mental disorders" if you're like, "DURR THE NERVOUS SYSTEM IS ALL THE SAME" and it sure as hell doesn't produce autism spectrum symptoms.
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ryanb31 wrote:
and there it is, right on the CDC page.
Because of GBS? GBS is not a mental disorder. It's a generally reversible autoimmune condition targeting myelin. It's only related to "mental disorders" if you're like, "DURR THE NERVOUS SYSTEM IS ALL THE SAME" and it sure as hell doesn't produce autism spectrum symptoms.
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Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment. You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money and they want a drug. There is no drug that will cure cancer.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment.
Oh my god. That book is ridiculous horseshit. You know the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45, right? You generally can't eat your way alkaline unless you decide to chug a bunch of Tums all at once. And even if you could, it ain't going to cure cancer because cancer cells are not that dumb and because physiology/genetics/cell mechanisms don't work that way. If you truly believe that crap I feel really, really sorry for you.
ryanb31 wrote:
You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money
Whereas the ph guy is doing it out of the kindness of his heart and that's why he gives his book away for free OH WAIT. So why do doctors and doctor's kids get cancer? Or am I just part of TEH CONSPIRACY!?!?
ryanb31 wrote:
There is no drug that will cure cancer.
Some cancers there is. Some require radiation, chemo, and surgery. Some are resistant to most treatments.
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You keep focusing on just the one. Like I said, read the whole thing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.