Interesting stats on the 2014 H-1B job Visa applications
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Well, I've been involved in hiring on multiple occasions in the past decade or so, and it is extremely difficult to hire skilled talent in the States. I know there is a 3-4% unemployment rate among IT folks, but without wanting to sound rude, I've gotta say those people are probably not very good at what they are doing. There are good people, but they don't frequently change jobs and may not be available in the city you are recruiting for.
Regards, Nish
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I agree; this position was in the Charlotte, NC region, so there were plenty of people to draw from. Although I am no longer at that position, I stay in touch with the people there. They are still having trouble recruiting IT staff because, even though it is now 'new' technology: .NET, SQL Server, Business Objects, people don't want to compute to a manufacturing plant when they can work in an office building in a major city.
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I agree; this position was in the Charlotte, NC region, so there were plenty of people to draw from. Although I am no longer at that position, I stay in touch with the people there. They are still having trouble recruiting IT staff because, even though it is now 'new' technology: .NET, SQL Server, Business Objects, people don't want to compute to a manufacturing plant when they can work in an office building in a major city.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
when they can work in an office building in a major city
I never got it. Sure, you have a nice corner office with a view on the 17th floor. But you pay for it with $150/month covered parking, 90-120 minutes daily commute in congested traffic, and expensive downtown restaurant eating.
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
113K, Google's is 126K, Oracle's 113, Amazon has 109K, Apple pays a nice 130K, Facebook 123K, and here's a surprise, Walmart pays 113K average
This is a lot of money !! $110K are about €80K, this is middle management salary level in the area (Germany), or high management in France. What are these people doing ? Are the salaries that high in the US ? :wtf:
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That's more than you'd get paid in most of the US; but is roughly in line with what top tech companies on the west coast are paying their native developers. Keep in mind that California is a stupidly expensive place to live. Very high taxes (by US standards anyway); and rent can easily be a few thousand dollars/month in the cities.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
when they can work in an office building in a major city
I never got it. Sure, you have a nice corner office with a view on the 17th floor. But you pay for it with $150/month covered parking, 90-120 minutes daily commute in congested traffic, and expensive downtown restaurant eating.
Regards, Nish
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I took this position, in Charlotte, in the office tower, in downtown, because I get to work with a product I truly enjoy (and a nice wage increase). I choose to park 1/2 mile away ($3.00 per day) and walk (good exercise), bring leftovers for lunch (only go out to lunch once a week) and the commute was only slightly longer than what I had, but in a different direction. I use a secondary highway and avoid the interstate like the plague. I get to work about 7:00 AM and leave at 3:30, avoiding the bulk of the congestion. So, for me, it was a win-win.
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I agree; this position was in the Charlotte, NC region, so there were plenty of people to draw from. Although I am no longer at that position, I stay in touch with the people there. They are still having trouble recruiting IT staff because, even though it is now 'new' technology: .NET, SQL Server, Business Objects, people don't want to compute to a manufacturing plant when they can work in an office building in a major city.
As long as where I'm sitting is air conditioned and reasonably quiet I could care less* what the other 90% of the building was doing. NC's climate OTOH... X| ... give me a nice blizzard any day. * Doing so would be very hard and highly improbable, but not quite impossible. ;P
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I took this position, in Charlotte, in the office tower, in downtown, because I get to work with a product I truly enjoy (and a nice wage increase). I choose to park 1/2 mile away ($3.00 per day) and walk (good exercise), bring leftovers for lunch (only go out to lunch once a week) and the commute was only slightly longer than what I had, but in a different direction. I use a secondary highway and avoid the interstate like the plague. I get to work about 7:00 AM and leave at 3:30, avoiding the bulk of the congestion. So, for me, it was a win-win.
even at 7am I suspect there'd be multiple months where it was hot and humid enough that I'd need to shower after getting into the office before I was fit for human interaction. *shudder*
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I took this position, in Charlotte, in the office tower, in downtown, because I get to work with a product I truly enjoy (and a nice wage increase). I choose to park 1/2 mile away ($3.00 per day) and walk (good exercise), bring leftovers for lunch (only go out to lunch once a week) and the commute was only slightly longer than what I had, but in a different direction. I use a secondary highway and avoid the interstate like the plague. I get to work about 7:00 AM and leave at 3:30, avoiding the bulk of the congestion. So, for me, it was a win-win.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
So, for me, it was a win-win
Sounds like it :-)
Regards, Nish
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As long as where I'm sitting is air conditioned and reasonably quiet I could care less* what the other 90% of the building was doing. NC's climate OTOH... X| ... give me a nice blizzard any day. * Doing so would be very hard and highly improbable, but not quite impossible. ;P
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
I could care less*
Typo-fix : couldn't care less you mean.
Regards, Nish
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Dan Neely wrote:
I could care less*
Typo-fix : couldn't care less you mean.
Regards, Nish
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No. I wrote exactly what I meant to. If you're going to be an annoying pedant you should be obligated to read the footnotes first; and the snark I left there should've made it clear that I didn't make a mistake.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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No. I wrote exactly what I meant to. If you're going to be an annoying pedant you should be obligated to read the footnotes first; and the snark I left there should've made it clear that I didn't make a mistake.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
If you're going to be an annoying pedant you should be obligated to read the footnotes first;
:laugh: Alright, my bad. I missed your footnote, and I blame it on the multiple quotes in your sig, they kinda obscured the footnote.
Regards, Nish
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Well, by paying these people that much, they might have to lower others' people salaries :rolleyes:
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
I thought they did it by playing games with national borders and the tax men. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
They're freely available in Canada.
Canada - land of freedom! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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I think it's a matter of a different foreign policy rather than lack of freedom. IMHO the US and Canada share similar freedoms but have different policies on several key issues. And we also have a mayor who's very entertaining. /ravi
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I think it's a matter of a different foreign policy rather than lack of freedom. IMHO the US and Canada share similar freedoms but have different policies on several key issues. And we also have a mayor who's very entertaining. /ravi
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We had a crackhead mayor[^] back in the '90's. As usual Canada is coping America decades after the fact and then patting itself on the back for being so clever. :-\
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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We had a crackhead mayor[^] back in the '90's. As usual Canada is coping America decades after the fact and then patting itself on the back for being so clever. :-\
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Back in real life, when I was a chemist, I was very offended at the existence of H-1B visas. At that time, at least, it was used as a way to higher (=import) employees far below the market value of such credentials. Often so specific that it would be surprising if more than one person in the world could possibly fulfill them. The technique the employers would use is put out a set of very specific requirements and accomplishment that, were a native/citizen capable of having would command a huge salary. This artificial specificity was tailor made for a particular person they wanted to hire (perhaps a post-doc). The requirements that a US citizen be given first opportunity for the job was met - but in an obnoxious and cynical manner. So the letter of the law was met. The company got an indentured servant for an employee and a US citizen continued on their job search. It's decades later, but this sore spot that will not easily heal.
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I didn't come in with an H-1B, but I had left the company and wanted to come back. I called one of my former bosses to see how this could work out and he said that they were in the middle of a big layoff and were required to offer any job openings to any qualified person on the layoff list (the operative word here is "qualified"). He wanted me to send him a complete detailed Resume that listed every thing that I had done for the company in the 15 years that I had worked for them (hardware development and software development) including my current qualifications (going back to GE/Honeywell, currently working on IBM). I sent him a detailed 6 page Resume and he wrote up an RFP that only one person in the whole world could fulfill. I got the job. Dave.
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- Stats : http://i.imgur.com/Hz7EpCN.jpg[^]
- Source: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2014-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx[^]
The largest consumer of that Visa is Infosys, they consume almost 40% of the available cap for an year, and their average H-1B salary is 76K. Not high, but not peanuts either consider most first time visa employees are in their mid 20s. But for me, the really interesting bits were the salary averages for the big companies like Microsoft and Google. Microsoft's average H-1b pay is 113K, Google's is 126K, Oracle's 113, Amazon has 109K, Apple pays a nice 130K, Facebook 123K, and here's a surprise, Walmart pays 113K average. I know there's a big outcry about these big companies hiring foreign workers and people always say it's because they pay peanuts, but salaries upwards of 110-120K for people under 30 seems to be on the higher side of affairs as far as I can see. Bit of an eye opener here.
Regards, Nish
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Interesting. As a non US citizen how do I take advantage of this. Preferably without leaving my living room? :)
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- Stats : http://i.imgur.com/Hz7EpCN.jpg[^]
- Source: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2014-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx[^]
The largest consumer of that Visa is Infosys, they consume almost 40% of the available cap for an year, and their average H-1B salary is 76K. Not high, but not peanuts either consider most first time visa employees are in their mid 20s. But for me, the really interesting bits were the salary averages for the big companies like Microsoft and Google. Microsoft's average H-1b pay is 113K, Google's is 126K, Oracle's 113, Amazon has 109K, Apple pays a nice 130K, Facebook 123K, and here's a surprise, Walmart pays 113K average. I know there's a big outcry about these big companies hiring foreign workers and people always say it's because they pay peanuts, but salaries upwards of 110-120K for people under 30 seems to be on the higher side of affairs as far as I can see. Bit of an eye opener here.
Regards, Nish
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I agree, stats is VERY interesting - how the hell one indian company occupied 40% while people from other countries wait for years to get this H1-B? If USA don't want to sing and dance next 50 years without food, they should stop "importing" indian "supposed to be" programmers and start improving local specialists.
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Well, I've been involved in hiring on multiple occasions in the past decade or so, and it is extremely difficult to hire skilled talent in the States. I know there is a 3-4% unemployment rate among IT folks, but without wanting to sound rude, I've gotta say those people are probably not very good at what they are doing. There are good people, but they don't frequently change jobs and may not be available in the city you are recruiting for.
Regards, Nish
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Yes it's those stubborn developers who refuse to change jobs and has nothing to do with the FACT that companies are actively colluding to hold down wages of developers. This is not a subject for debate the tech firms actually wrote it down as official policy. Companies Colluding
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Yes it's those stubborn developers who refuse to change jobs and has nothing to do with the FACT that companies are actively colluding to hold down wages of developers. This is not a subject for debate the tech firms actually wrote it down as official policy. Companies Colluding
Well, that may or may not be so. My focal point in this thread was primarily how the big companies like Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, and Google all have salaries that are well above industry averages for their H-1B employees (contrary to what several people assumed). That side post I made was my personal experience where it's been a massive struggle to find even a few really good candidates. You need to go through dozens before you get a good one.
Regards, Nish
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- Stats : http://i.imgur.com/Hz7EpCN.jpg[^]
- Source: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2014-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx[^]
The largest consumer of that Visa is Infosys, they consume almost 40% of the available cap for an year, and their average H-1B salary is 76K. Not high, but not peanuts either consider most first time visa employees are in their mid 20s. But for me, the really interesting bits were the salary averages for the big companies like Microsoft and Google. Microsoft's average H-1b pay is 113K, Google's is 126K, Oracle's 113, Amazon has 109K, Apple pays a nice 130K, Facebook 123K, and here's a surprise, Walmart pays 113K average. I know there's a big outcry about these big companies hiring foreign workers and people always say it's because they pay peanuts, but salaries upwards of 110-120K for people under 30 seems to be on the higher side of affairs as far as I can see. Bit of an eye opener here.
Regards, Nish
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Nish, you failed to mention in the OP that you have a horse in this race. You, as mentioned elsewhere, are involved in tech recruiting currently correct? I am sure that was just an oversight though. The reality is the H-1B hires making the 100K+ at the big tech firms are taking jobs that would probably cost the tech firms 200K+ to hire a native to fill. To just say "well look at how well these folks are paid surely this cannot be holding down wages" is patently disingenuous. Companies in general and tech companies in particular collude to hold down developer wages; this is a fact. Hiring good talent is easy if a company is willing to pay for it. The problem is that people at companies like to redline developers into price brackets and interestingly enough wont pay more than that - none of them will. It's no longer a supply/demand situation. If the free market was actually at work here software developers would make a lot more in the US. It is greed and collusion imo.
