Michael Brown
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Agreed. But it starts with classifying people into groupings based on your prejudices. It's rather more of a grayscale. When does it stop being a prejudice and turn into racism?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
When does it stop being a prejudice and turn into racism?
When you decide that someone is inferior to you simply because of the race they are. When you decide to abuse or mistreat someone simply because of the race they are. When you refuse to let someone do something something simply because of the race they are. It's not too difficult to not be a racist.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
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Marco Bertschi wrote:
why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
Because the difference is night and day when in training / practice compared to being in a real life-threatening situation where adrenaline is high. Same thing as being in a fight really. All the practice in fight class, it helps, but nothing still compares to the real thing.
Jeremy Falcon
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Every time someone says they're not racist I assume from that moment on that they are.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
What do you suggest as a test then? Ducking?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I'm an educated and reasonable guy.... This whole Ferguson situation isn't about race. Race had NOTHING to do with it. Here are the FACTS, and apparently, the grand jury and the evidence agree... 1. Michael Brown goes into a store and commits a strong arm robbery. 2. Call goes out to police. 3. Officer Darren Wilson spots brown and confronts him. 4. Brown attacks Wilson and Wilson defends himself. 5. Brown died in the commission of a felony. I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black. JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
zephaneas wrote:
I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black.
JUSTICE WAS SERVED!He stole a box of cigars. I'm not saying he didn't deserve punishment, but being completely ok with killing him over cigars makes you no less heartless than the criminals themselves.
Jeremy Falcon
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zephaneas wrote:
I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black.
JUSTICE WAS SERVED!He stole a box of cigars. I'm not saying he didn't deserve punishment, but being completely ok with killing him over cigars makes you no less heartless than the criminals themselves.
Jeremy Falcon
They keep trying to warn people that smoking is seriously bad for your health and can cause an early death. Don't remember seeing a pack with a death by cop warning on it though.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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zephaneas wrote:
I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black.
JUSTICE WAS SERVED!He stole a box of cigars. I'm not saying he didn't deserve punishment, but being completely ok with killing him over cigars makes you no less heartless than the criminals themselves.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
killing him over cigars
He wasn't killed "over cigars", he was killed as an unfortunate side effect of an officer in fear of his life stopping the threat...
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
killing him over cigars
He wasn't killed "over cigars", he was killed as an unfortunate side effect of an officer in fear of his life stopping the threat...
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I know that, but the justification that made it ok was him being a criminal. The criminal act was over cigars. Thus the cigars were the "supposed" catalyst for the happy trigger time justification that started the whole mess in the first place, without which would've made this wrong according to the OP. As such, his point regarding that and the pursuit death was over the cigars. Come on man, common sense. Everyone knows what's meant by that, duh.
Jeremy Falcon
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I know that, but the justification that made it ok was him being a criminal. The criminal act was over cigars. Thus the cigars were the "supposed" catalyst for the happy trigger time justification that started the whole mess in the first place, without which would've made this wrong according to the OP. As such, his point regarding that and the pursuit death was over the cigars. Come on man, common sense. Everyone knows what's meant by that, duh.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
common sense.
The problem with common sense is that it's not that common!!
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I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
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Marco Bertschi wrote:
I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous.
So you would claim that if you were in an urban war zone and some one starts shooting at your squad from down the street that exactly one and only one of your squad would shoot only one bullet? And then perhaps send another squad member down to check on that person before deciding whether to shoot another bullet?
Marco Bertschi wrote:
I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
Perhaps because oddly enough every police officer is not a clone of you? Or perhaps because police officers deal with many other things, routinely, which have nothing to do with actually shooting targets?
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
When does it stop being a prejudice and turn into racism?
When you decide that someone is inferior to you simply because of the race they are. When you decide to abuse or mistreat someone simply because of the race they are. When you refuse to let someone do something something simply because of the race they are. It's not too difficult to not be a racist.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
chriselst wrote:
that someone is inferior to you simply because of the race they are.
Wow. Someone who actually knows what racists means. :thumbsup: Society seems to forget that keyword every time they accuse someone of being racist. Racism is losing the original meaning. Making a rude remark against a certain race is not racism unless you can show that person feels their race is superior.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Protesters are protesting. Rioters are rioting and looters are looting. They are not the same thing. An excuse can be a convenient one if you want to be an asshole.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Marco Bertschi wrote:
why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
Because the difference is night and day when in training / practice compared to being in a real life-threatening situation where adrenaline is high. Same thing as being in a fight really. All the practice in fight class, it helps, but nothing still compares to the real thing.
Jeremy Falcon
I always like it when people describe what a tolerable (or even legal) reaction is to a violent situation. Like when you're supposed to stop, or how many times you can hit when retaliating. It's always very apparent that those people haven't ever been in a violent situation.
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They keep trying to warn people that smoking is seriously bad for your health and can cause an early death. Don't remember seeing a pack with a death by cop warning on it though.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I know that, but the justification that made it ok was him being a criminal. The criminal act was over cigars. Thus the cigars were the "supposed" catalyst for the happy trigger time justification that started the whole mess in the first place, without which would've made this wrong according to the OP. As such, his point regarding that and the pursuit death was over the cigars. Come on man, common sense. Everyone knows what's meant by that, duh.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
but the justification that made it ok was him being a criminal. The criminal act was over cigars.
The specific criminal act was robbery, and if you watch the store video, he really asserted himself over the clerk. People used that situation to assume he was in the "thug life".
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
but the justification that made it ok was him being a criminal. The criminal act was over cigars.
The specific criminal act was robbery, and if you watch the store video, he really asserted himself over the clerk. People used that situation to assume he was in the "thug life".
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
Never said he was an upstanding citizen. I'm saying assumption and bias is not a reason to be ok as a justification for assuming he's a piece of sh*t that deserves what he got. There's no humanity in that. It's not like he killed someone. Let's be real.
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I'm an educated and reasonable guy.... This whole Ferguson situation isn't about race. Race had NOTHING to do with it. Here are the FACTS, and apparently, the grand jury and the evidence agree... 1. Michael Brown goes into a store and commits a strong arm robbery. 2. Call goes out to police. 3. Officer Darren Wilson spots brown and confronts him. 4. Brown attacks Wilson and Wilson defends himself. 5. Brown died in the commission of a felony. I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black. JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
The cop wasn't aware of the robbery. He was merely trying to get Brown and his friend to walk on the sidewalk instead of the middle of the street.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
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Marco Bertschi wrote:
I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
Cops aren't trained to the level that the military is (unless they take it on themselves to train and practice. Besides that, shooting a target at the range is COMPLETELY different than shooting in a defensive situation. If you don't have the training, your shooting will generally suck balls.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
zephaneas wrote:
I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black.
JUSTICE WAS SERVED!He stole a box of cigars. I'm not saying he didn't deserve punishment, but being completely ok with killing him over cigars makes you no less heartless than the criminals themselves.
Jeremy Falcon
No, he WASN'T killed over a box of cigars. The cop wasn't even aware of the freakin' robbery. He was shot because he tried to take the cops gun during the first part of the encounter, and then came back for more.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
No, he WASN'T killed over a box of cigars. The cop wasn't even aware of the freakin' robbery. He was shot because he tried to take the cops gun during the first part of the encounter, and then came back for more.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Not according to the news story I read. The cop already knew to be on the lookout for a criminal and suspected him. Either way, none of us really know what went down. We weren't there. All I've been saying is have some damn respect for human life. The OP showed none.
Jeremy Falcon
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I know that, but the justification that made it ok was him being a criminal. The criminal act was over cigars. Thus the cigars were the "supposed" catalyst for the happy trigger time justification that started the whole mess in the first place, without which would've made this wrong according to the OP. As such, his point regarding that and the pursuit death was over the cigars. Come on man, common sense. Everyone knows what's meant by that, duh.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The criminal act was over cigars
No, the criminal act he was killed for was attacking a police officer.
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