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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

    if (condition)
    {
    DoThis();
    }
    else
    {
    DoThat();
    }

    as opposed to:

    if (condition)
    DoThis();
    else
    DoThat();

    Pedants :sigh:

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    Sandeep Singh Shekhawat
    wrote on last edited by
    #55

    They think, If we write that way then our system will be heavy as each character has some byte. :) :) :) :-D

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    • R R Giskard Reventlov

      Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

      if (condition)
      {
      DoThis();
      }
      else
      {
      DoThat();
      }

      as opposed to:

      if (condition)
      DoThis();
      else
      DoThat();

      Pedants :sigh:

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      DJ van Wyk
      wrote on last edited by
      #56

      How would you feel about

      condition ? DoThis() : DoThat();

      ?

      My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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      • D DJ van Wyk

        How would you feel about

        condition ? DoThis() : DoThat();

        ?

        My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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        JeremyBob
        wrote on last edited by
        #57

        condition
        ? DoThis()
        : DoThat();

        And now? All in all none of this really matters. As long as everyone on the project sticks to a predetermined coding standard, then the format doesn't matter as much, as long as its consistent. Consistency in code can resolve a huge amount of misunderstanding.

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        • R R Giskard Reventlov

          Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

          if (condition)
          {
          DoThis();
          }
          else
          {
          DoThat();
          }

          as opposed to:

          if (condition)
          DoThis();
          else
          DoThat();

          Pedants :sigh:

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          Andy_L_J
          wrote on last edited by
          #58

          The reason I moved from VB.NET to C# was the curly braces bro! Don't make me give up the curly braces! :laugh:

          I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly "I have sexdaily. I mean dyslexia. Fcuk!" Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife

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          • J JeremyBob

            condition
            ? DoThis()
            : DoThat();

            And now? All in all none of this really matters. As long as everyone on the project sticks to a predetermined coding standard, then the format doesn't matter as much, as long as its consistent. Consistency in code can resolve a huge amount of misunderstanding.

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            DJ van Wyk
            wrote on last edited by
            #59

            Standard? STANDARD? What's that??? I found that we do keep to standards whenever all the other developers code exactly the same way as I do. ;P

            My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              That's not good enough...

              if
              (
              condition
              )
              {
              this
              .
              DoThis
              (
              )
              ;
              }
              else
              {
              this
              .
              DoThat
              (
              )
              ;
              }

              It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line. :)

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              Matthys Terblanche
              wrote on last edited by
              #60

              Totally agree...but for a very spesific reason. I'm using a Braille display with a maximum of 40 chars per line, so it have a influence on my format preferences... ;P Seriously though, if (condition) { Action1(); } else { Action2(); } is my real preference, and there's a plus to that, whenever the situation change to have more than one statement for the if test, the person who has to change it doesn't have to remember to go and fill in the {}.:cool:

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              • P Paulo Zemek

                I understand... and I can't say I disagree... that arrives to the point of preference, not to the point of usefulness. But one thing I never do is 2 (or more) real calls in the same line: SomeObject.DoCallOne().DoCall2(otherObject.AnotherCallWithAResult(), evenAnotherObject.WithEvenAnExtraCall(), theFinal.ObjectWithTheFinalCall());

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                Brady Kelly
                wrote on last edited by
                #61

                Just your contrived example hurts my eyes. I'd hate to see that in real life. :~

                No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  if (condition) { this.DoThis(); } else { this.DoThat(); }

                  You probably meant

                  Ian Shlasko wrote:

                  It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line in the entire application.

                  I guess it's theoretically possible... :~

                  My blog[^]

                  public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                  {
                  public void DoWork()
                  {
                  throw new NotSupportedException();
                  }
                  }

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                  xiecsuk
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #62

                  Of course it is, or at least, it was. That's what we used to do when programming in APL. There were execution costs for each new line you used.

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                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                    Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                    if (condition)
                    {
                    DoThis();
                    }
                    else
                    {
                    DoThat();
                    }

                    as opposed to:

                    if (condition)
                    DoThis();
                    else
                    DoThat();

                    Pedants :sigh:

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                    Jorgen Andersson
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #63

                    I don't care very much as long as it's consistent. But since you can't make multiple statements without braces...

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello (√-shit)2

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                    • P Paulo Zemek

                      I agree with you. And I am actually the kind of person that when has to modify something like:

                      if (something)
                      {
                      DoA();
                      DoB();
                      }

                      To only call a DoAB(), I will go there and kill the extra { and }. So, I have more work doing that, but I keep consistency. So, it becomes:

                      if (something)
                      DoAB();

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                      Oleg A Lukin
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #64

                      That works fine until you get this in the code after all :)

                      if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(&hashCtx, &serverRandom)) != 0)
                      	goto fail;
                      if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(&hashCtx, &signedParams)) != 0)
                      	goto fail;
                      	goto fail;
                      if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.final(&hashCtx, &hashOut)) != 0)
                      	goto fail;
                      

                      When I first saw that bug I got even more convinced see that my approach to braces everywhere as a must works better in the end.

                      Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson

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                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                        Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                        if (condition)
                        {
                        DoThis();
                        }
                        else
                        {
                        DoThat();
                        }

                        as opposed to:

                        if (condition)
                        DoThis();
                        else
                        DoThat();

                        Pedants :sigh:

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                        Johnny J
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #65

                        Either one of those suits me fine. The ones I can't stand are these:

                        if (condition)
                        {
                        DoThis();
                        }
                        else
                        DoThat();

                        if (condition)
                        DoThis();
                        else
                        {
                        DoThat();
                        }

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          Mladen Janković wrote:

                          it can make you look obnoxious.

                          But I am obnoxious

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                          Mladen Jankovic
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #66

                          Well I can't argue with that :)

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                          • R R Giskard Reventlov

                            Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                            if (condition)
                            {
                            DoThis();
                            }
                            else
                            {
                            DoThat();
                            }

                            as opposed to:

                            if (condition)
                            DoThis();
                            else
                            DoThat();

                            Pedants :sigh:

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                            Jacquers
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #67

                            And then there is the choice between: if (condition) vs if (condition == true) if (!condition) vs if (condition == false) I sometimes put in the == false part because the ! is easy to miss when reading.

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                            • R R Giskard Reventlov

                              Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                              if (condition)
                              {
                              DoThis();
                              }
                              else
                              {
                              DoThat();
                              }

                              as opposed to:

                              if (condition)
                              DoThis();
                              else
                              DoThat();

                              Pedants :sigh:

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                              Fabio Franco
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #68

                              Karel Čapek wrote:

                              Why are people so lazy?

                              Did it occur to you that it may be about style and not laziness? Some people can have even another style:

                              if (condition) DoThis();
                              else DoThat();

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                              • B Brady Kelly

                                I prefer

                                if (something) DoAB();

                                for the latter. I never use it, but have recently come across it. It seems more readable to me.

                                No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                                Daniel Vaughan
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #69

                                It's slower to read an if statement with code on the same line because your eyes have to track to the right. It's the same reason why you shouldn't place form titles and fields on the same line. Here's some articles on it: http://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2006/07/label-placement-in-forms.php[^] http://uxmag.com/articles/eye-tracking-and-web-usability-a-good-fit[^]

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                                • D Daniel Vaughan

                                  It's slower to read an if statement with code on the same line because your eyes have to track to the right. It's the same reason why you shouldn't place form titles and fields on the same line. Here's some articles on it: http://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2006/07/label-placement-in-forms.php[^] http://uxmag.com/articles/eye-tracking-and-web-usability-a-good-fit[^]

                                  Daniel Vaughan Twitter | Blog | Microsoft MVP | Projects: Calcium SDK, Clog | LinkedIn

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                                  Brady Kelly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #70

                                  Cool, thanks. I've bookmarked those.

                                  No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Sure it's easy, until another developer adds a second line and forgets to add brackets. I've been working in some source code that didn't use brackets for single statements. I introduced a few bugs by not adding them when I had to and I've been wondering more than once if the original developer REALLY meant not to add brackets....

                                    if (condition)
                                    DoThis();
                                    else
                                    DoThat();
                                    DoAnotherThing();

                                    is really weird to look at and at the very least makes you wonder if it was intended... Especially if DoAnotherThing(); isn't properly in/outdented!

                                    My blog[^]

                                    public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                    {
                                    public void DoWork()
                                    {
                                    throw new NotSupportedException();
                                    }
                                    }

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                                    Cloud William
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #71

                                    I am currently working on a system where most of the software was written in C in the early 1980s. It is formatted so badly that stuff like

                                     if (condition)
                                    DoThis();
                                    

                                    else DoThat();
                                    DoAnotherThing();

                                    is not uncommon at all. Add to that, there is no consistent use of tabs vs. spaces, no consistent tab stops, no naming conventions. Honestly, use the braces or don't, just be consistent, dammit. Proper indentation is far more valuable than brace usage; don't use TAB for indentation, and do stuff the same way, every damn time.

                                    "The only thing a free man can be forced to do is die." "The right to defend oneself and ones neighbors is the beginning of freedom." "Freedom? That is a worship word. . ." -- Cloud William "It is our worship word, too." -- James T. Kirk

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                                    • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                      Why are people so lazy? For example, how hard is it to

                                      if (condition)
                                      {
                                      DoThis();
                                      }
                                      else
                                      {
                                      DoThat();
                                      }

                                      as opposed to:

                                      if (condition)
                                      DoThis();
                                      else
                                      DoThat();

                                      Pedants :sigh:

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                                      Vark111
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #72

                                      I only remove braces on single-line method preconditions at the beginning of a method:

                                      if (arg==null) throw new ArgumentNullException("arg", arg);

                                      Everywhere else I put braces.

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        if (condition) { this.DoThis(); } else { this.DoThat(); }

                                        You probably meant

                                        Ian Shlasko wrote:

                                        It's not properly formatted until there's only one token per line in the entire application.

                                        I guess it's theoretically possible... :~

                                        My blog[^]

                                        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                        {
                                        public void DoWork()
                                        {
                                        throw new NotSupportedException();
                                        }
                                        }

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                                        Jim from Indy
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #73

                                        You guys need to investigate APL, a language described by one of my fellow students as "the ultimate in elegance"

                                        Jim

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                                        • V Vark111

                                          I only remove braces on single-line method preconditions at the beginning of a method:

                                          if (arg==null) throw new ArgumentNullException("arg", arg);

                                          Everywhere else I put braces.

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                                          Johnny J
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #74

                                          Vark111 wrote:

                                          if (arg==null) throw new ArgumentNullException("arg", arg);

                                          Let me guess - You're used to dealing with Pirated software??? ;)

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