Another pilot suicide?!?!?
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Of course, particularly if you want to crash it into a mountain....
Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature, I know it comes up as an option every time a plane crashes but has it ever been proved? or is it just an urban myth?
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So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide, but now Germanwings 9525 is starting to look like one too. Investigators have reported that the CVR shows that one pilot was locked out of the cockpit and trying to "break the door down" while the pilot in the cockpit did not respond. Ok, possible pass out, heart attack, stroke, etc... but that wouldn't explain why the door was locked. Door lockout has to be engaged on purpose and is unusual. Also, the memory card from the FDR is "missing". Also unusual on a non fly by night airline. But if I've learned anything from watching Air Crash Investigation, it's that weird stuff happens up there. But door lockout should NOT be one of them.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide,
Care to share your citations and supporting proof, for this theory/comment? If there is some, I was not aware. :confused:
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide,
Care to share your citations and supporting proof, for this theory/comment? If there is some, I was not aware. :confused:
He is working on the tried and tested interweb method of I think = Fact
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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He is working on the tried and tested interweb method of I think = Fact
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
I think = Fact
Well, I do this from time to time as well, to be honest. I have been working on fixing this flaw of mine. However, to claim an important event was caused by suicide, without proof, is beyond me.
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Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature, I know it comes up as an option every time a plane crashes but has it ever been proved? or is it just an urban myth?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
I don't know, MH370 is a good contender though, but who overrode the code entry system to the cockpit? It can only be done from inside the cockpit. Perhaps it, and the auto pilot got turned off by mistake as the pilot passed out due to toxic air coming from the engines (happens with some planes/old engines a lot)? Perhaps they should have made the passangers move to the back of the plane to regain altitude? Who knows. It might take months to find out the true cause.
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Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature, I know it comes up as an option every time a plane crashes but has it ever been proved? or is it just an urban myth?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature...
Egypt Air 990 was found to be by the NTSB although the Egyptians didn't agree (well, they wouldn't, would they?), and SilkAir 185 almost certainly was, based on very strong evidence.
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I don't know, MH370 is a good contender though, but who overrode the code entry system to the cockpit? It can only be done from inside the cockpit. Perhaps it, and the auto pilot got turned off by mistake as the pilot passed out due to toxic air coming from the engines (happens with some planes/old engines a lot)? Perhaps they should have made the passangers move to the back of the plane to regain altitude? Who knows. It might take months to find out the true cause.
We don't actual know someone did, the other pilot may have forgotten the code, or the keypad may have been faulty or something that disabled the pilot may have also disable the door release (as well as turning off the autopilot) its guess work, and to blame the pilot when we don't know the facts is a bit unfair on the bloke, lets wait until the fact are known and not blame someone who may be total innocent same goes for MH370, it could have been aliens as far as the evidence can show I am not saying it was aliens (but it was)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
Has their ever actually been a suicide of this nature...
Egypt Air 990 was found to be by the NTSB although the Egyptians didn't agree (well, they wouldn't, would they?), and SilkAir 185 almost certainly was, based on very strong evidence.
Silkair 185 ? I thought this was a case of the rudder control going hardover (a know fault on this aircraft and one that has cause a couple of crashes) certainly the manufacture of the unit paid out to the families.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
I think = Fact
Well, I do this from time to time as well, to be honest. I have been working on fixing this flaw of mine. However, to claim an important event was caused by suicide, without proof, is beyond me.
Is it being hijacked by the US Government any less bazar?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Silkair 185 ? I thought this was a case of the rudder control going hardover (a know fault on this aircraft and one that has cause a couple of crashes) certainly the manufacture of the unit paid out to the families.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
The NTSB came to the conclusion that it was "the crash was the result of deliberate flight control inputs, most likely by the captain." However, the Indonesian NTSC blamed a rudder hard over. In the court case, the judge did not permit the NTSB report to be admitted into evidence, with the obvious conclusion. Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.
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The NTSB came to the conclusion that it was "the crash was the result of deliberate flight control inputs, most likely by the captain." However, the Indonesian NTSC blamed a rudder hard over. In the court case, the judge did not permit the NTSB report to be admitted into evidence, with the obvious conclusion. Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.
I wasn't aware that the NTSB report wasn't allowed only that the case was decided against the manufacture of the servo From the latest info from the French investigator it is being to look like suicide of the co-pilot is the most likely explanation although the senior pilot leaving the flight deck without calling the head steward to stand in is against proceedure
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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He is working on the tried and tested interweb method of I think = Fact
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
You are working on the tried and tested interweb method of Poor reading comprehension = Put words in a persons mouth "Seems pretty obvious" != "this is fact"
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You are working on the tried and tested interweb method of Poor reading comprehension = Put words in a persons mouth "Seems pretty obvious" != "this is fact"
OK I will give you that, I should have put I think = Seems pretty obvious
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
So it seems pretty obvious that MH370 was pilot suicide,
Care to share your citations and supporting proof, for this theory/comment? If there is some, I was not aware. :confused:
I didn't say this was ruled the official cause. I said it "seems pretty obvious [to a lot of people]". ** plane was clearly manually steered ** plane was flown for 7 hours after loss of contact * catastrophic failure, etc. does not allow a plane to stay up for 7 hours * no radio contact -- yes, I'm aware that during an emergency, pilot training is to communicate LAST and solve the emergency FIRST * auto pilot was clearly manually reprogrammed * first officer cell phone tried to make a call -- having your cell phone even turned on as a pilot once you leave the gate is a big no no * So explosion, catastrophic failure, etc. are eliminated * Hypoxia event is eliminated by manual steering / auto pilot reprogramming Radar evidence also indicates the plane climbed to almost its max Evidence points to the captain depressurizing the plane to prevent interference and crashing it in the indian ocean.
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OK I will give you that, I should have put I think = Seems pretty obvious
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Well, regardless... LOL (to our conversation I mean, not to the situation obviously)... seems like Germanwings was a suicide IS fact :(.
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Well, regardless... LOL (to our conversation I mean, not to the situation obviously)... seems like Germanwings was a suicide IS fact :(.
not yet, however the evidence is certainly pointing that way, I am not sure that you could ever be 100% sure that we will ever know what exactly happened, only what is most likely to have occurred
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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not yet, however the evidence is certainly pointing that way, I am not sure that you could ever be 100% sure that we will ever know what exactly happened, only what is most likely to have occurred
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
What do you mean? The investigators came out and stated it as fact 100% based on the CVR.
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What do you mean? The investigators came out and stated it as fact 100% based on the CVR.
no they have said its the most likely explanation which is different to fact, what happens if they discover the co pilot was say drugged? that would throw a different light on the incident? But if it was a fact that is was suicide then nothing that could come out from further investigation could alter it. keep an open mind my friend
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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no they have said its the most likely explanation which is different to fact, what happens if they discover the co pilot was say drugged? that would throw a different light on the incident? But if it was a fact that is was suicide then nothing that could come out from further investigation could alter it. keep an open mind my friend
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Sorry, but LOL :). Pilot was not drugged. CVR audio clearly shows he was belligerent to the captain earlier in the flight as well. Refused to open the door. Manually turned on the override lock and manually pushed the "crash button". Controlled decent rules out mechanical failure. CVR would also pick up any cockpit alarms from a mechanical failure. One thing I will admit, is I was thinking the co-pilot was going to be a certain religion which is yet TBD. All that has been revealed so far is that he is a German national. Pilot suicide, while extremely rare has happened quite a few times before. I want to say 4 or 5 times. Also, the CVR seems to show that the co-pilot was alone (i.e. no hijacker pointing a gun to his head). But at least this scumbag POS had the decency to crash the plane in a recoverable area and not play "Where's Waldo?" like the MH370 guy. Check out CNN.com... front page has an 80 pt font saying it was suicide.
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Sorry, but LOL :). Pilot was not drugged. CVR audio clearly shows he was belligerent to the captain earlier in the flight as well. Refused to open the door. Manually turned on the override lock and manually pushed the "crash button". Controlled decent rules out mechanical failure. CVR would also pick up any cockpit alarms from a mechanical failure. One thing I will admit, is I was thinking the co-pilot was going to be a certain religion which is yet TBD. All that has been revealed so far is that he is a German national. Pilot suicide, while extremely rare has happened quite a few times before. I want to say 4 or 5 times. Also, the CVR seems to show that the co-pilot was alone (i.e. no hijacker pointing a gun to his head). But at least this scumbag POS had the decency to crash the plane in a recoverable area and not play "Where's Waldo?" like the MH370 guy. Check out CNN.com... front page has an 80 pt font saying it was suicide.
I agree that it is pretty certain to be suicide but its not a fact until proven beyond all doubt, whilst it look like it is going that way I would say that we are not their yet (the investigators must agree as they are still investigating) fact is a big word to use on something that you have no personnel knowledge of and are not privy to all the known information about. allow for doubt is all I am saying
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.