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  • M Mike Gaskey

    Am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that this is being reported by PBS and NPR? For those of you on other continents or in countries other than the USA (you too Ed), PBS is the Public Broadcasting System, NPR stands for National Public Radio. NPR is a fairly nasty thorn in the side of conservatives. The reason is that PBS/NPR is a fairly liberal organization, which in and of itself is not "bad" - the thorn comes from the fact that NPR recieves public funding, read that as saying, "my taxes help pay for it even though I don't agree with the opinions they espouse". For this to be available from the NPR site means they find it overwhelmingly credible. But Jason, no matter what the facts are - "this business of anger directed at terrorists just doesn't feel right." Mike

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    Ed Gadziemski
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    "my taxes help pay for it even though I don't agree with the opinions they espouse" Hmmm. I could say that about Bush's massive defense spending and war on Iraq. NPR's entire budget is less than the cost of a single Blackhawk. (BTW, the way they keep crashing, there won't be enough of 'em left to fight the war.) Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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      Mike Gaskey wrote: For this to be available from the NPR site means they find it overwhelmingly credible. Did you see the editor's note in the right margin? Editor's Note: Although U.S. officials acknowledge terrorists were trained at Salman Pak, they say it is unlikely that these activities were related to the Sept. 11 attacks. It should also be noted that the two defectors interviewed for this report have been brought to FRONTLINE's attention by members of the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization seeking to overthrow Saddam Hussein. John Carson

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      John Carson wrote: Did you see the editor's note in the right margin? Yes, but .... Mike

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      • E Ed Gadziemski

        FYI: I'm an Army and National Guard vet, served a total of 6 years during the 70s. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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        Doug Goulden
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        Shame on you man, why not build maybe you didn't really take any of it serious Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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          Shame on you man, why not build maybe you didn't really take any of it serious Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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          why not build ???? Please elaborate; I don't understand. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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          • E Ed Gadziemski

            why not build ???? Please elaborate; I don't understand. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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            Ed Gadziemski wrote: why not build Sorry head up butt disease, meant to say: Shame on you, serving must not have meant much. Implying that you don't really seem to take the idea of the US defending itself seriously. Was originally going to say something about you being constructive.... Amazingly English actually is my first (and only) language:-O Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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              Ed Gadziemski wrote: why not build Sorry head up butt disease, meant to say: Shame on you, serving must not have meant much. Implying that you don't really seem to take the idea of the US defending itself seriously. Was originally going to say something about you being constructive.... Amazingly English actually is my first (and only) language:-O Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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              Ed Gadziemski
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              Well, I do take defense seriously. I'm of the Pat Buchanan school of thought, though. Bring our troops home, kick the H1B visaholders out, build a missle defense system, and be like a porcupine: Don't mess with anybody but have a hellacious defense system ready if someone messes with us. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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                Well, I do take defense seriously. I'm of the Pat Buchanan school of thought, though. Bring our troops home, kick the H1B visaholders out, build a missle defense system, and be like a porcupine: Don't mess with anybody but have a hellacious defense system ready if someone messes with us. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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                Ed Gadziemski wrote: kick the H1B visaholders out, build a missle defense system, and be like a porcupi I'm all for that, problem with bringing all of ours home is that I would rather fight the SOB's over there. I would rather kick the hell out of them at their place than wait for 'em to get close. I like the idea of the rats trying to hide in their hole when the Special Ops guys show up. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                • E Ed Gadziemski

                  Thank God, we have men and women in this country who have, and are willing to, sacrifice their lives for Ed and people like him I don't remember you being in my unit back when I served 3 years of US Army followed by 3 years of National Guard, Jason. Oh, perhaps you're just an "armchair soldier"? Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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                  I applaude you for serving 6 years, but did your service end the moment you were discharged? Why don't you support your country a little more. From the way you talk, I would think you were an anti-capitalist nazi.

                  Jason Henderson
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                  • C Chris Losinger

                    well, ed beat me to it. but, no a picture isn't proof. and, remember, remote intel is not perfect (chinese embassy, aspirin factory). if we could get some more people to corraborate his story, i'd be convinced. -c

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                    The guy defected and told us about a training camp where people are trained to hijack planes using an old plane. He tells us the location and we point a satellite at it. Viola! There's a plane there. Sounds like his story is corraborated.

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                    • J Jason Henderson

                      The guy defected and told us about a training camp where people are trained to hijack planes using an old plane. He tells us the location and we point a satellite at it. Viola! There's a plane there. Sounds like his story is corraborated.

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                      no, it isn't. corraboration would be a 2nd person independently giving the same story. i could claim that there's a guy down the street from me training terrorists to make bombs out of Triumph Spitfires. a satellite photo of the car lot wouldn't prove anything but that i knew where to find a vintage car dealer. -c

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                        no, it isn't. corraboration would be a 2nd person independently giving the same story. i could claim that there's a guy down the street from me training terrorists to make bombs out of Triumph Spitfires. a satellite photo of the car lot wouldn't prove anything but that i knew where to find a vintage car dealer. -c

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                        No names, but I think that the guys mentioned here are probably laying pretty low http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages/832.html[^] Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                          I applaude you for serving 6 years, but did your service end the moment you were discharged? Why don't you support your country a little more. From the way you talk, I would think you were an anti-capitalist nazi.

                          Jason Henderson
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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          Now you're just mean Jason. That attack was personal and not called for. :suss: -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                            I applaude you for serving 6 years, but did your service end the moment you were discharged? Why don't you support your country a little more. From the way you talk, I would think you were an anti-capitalist nazi.

                            Jason Henderson
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                            FYI: I own a small business. It's my second. I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce. I've run a non-profit community website where my business is located for the past 7 years. Just because I don't share your war fever for an ill-advised retribution against Iraq ("he tried to kill my daddy, boo-hoo") doesn't make me any less American. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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                              No names, but I think that the guys mentioned here are probably laying pretty low http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages/832.html[^] Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                              interesting, but sadly: "American officials confirmed that they had met with the former lieutenant general in Turkey but said they had not learned all that much from him. They said it was unlikely that the training on the fuselage was linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings in the US." that's what i want: a clear Saddam -> 9/11 link. until then, Saudi Arabia will stay higher on my list of countries we should invande. -c

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                                FYI: I own a small business. It's my second. I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce. I've run a non-profit community website where my business is located for the past 7 years. Just because I don't share your war fever for an ill-advised retribution against Iraq ("he tried to kill my daddy, boo-hoo") doesn't make me any less American. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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                                Jason Henderson
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                                I'm sorry for calling you an idiot, but calling the US evil for dropping the a-bombs on Japan is crazy. That just ticked me off. You might be the greatest guy in the world but I think your ideas are crazy and dangerous. I don't have war fever, but I do support the war on terror and this president. Its not about retribution because there's no reason for retribution.

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                                  Now you're just mean Jason. That attack was personal and not called for. :suss: -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                                  Jason Henderson
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                                  I'm sorry for that. He did make me mad, but what I wrote was not necessary.

                                  Jason Henderson
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                                    I'm sorry for calling you an idiot, but calling the US evil for dropping the a-bombs on Japan is crazy. That just ticked me off. You might be the greatest guy in the world but I think your ideas are crazy and dangerous. I don't have war fever, but I do support the war on terror and this president. Its not about retribution because there's no reason for retribution.

                                    Jason Henderson
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                                    Ed Gadziemski
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                                    I think your ideas are crazy and dangerous As an American veteran who was serving my country to protect your right to say that while you were still in diapers, I am just going to say thank you for sharing your opinion and I'll ask some of my religious friends to pray for your soul. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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