Why do all Arabs hate Israel?

Jason Henderson

Felix Gartsman wrote: Europe should force Lebanon/Syria to build new cities for refugees, to ease the suffering. That would be nice, but then the Arabs would lash out at Europe.

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Felix Gartsman

Thomas George wrote: Anyway, if someone can get Norway to do it, it would be great. They have done a good job with SriLanka - LTTE conflict. It shows you don't follow the situation. Norway made the (failed) Oslo accords. After several expressions by Norway foreign office, they're out of the question for long. USA are the only choice.

Lost User

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Lost User

No, i don't. I put ideas out there mostly to see why things are the way they are. But, if USA are the only choice, I don't see any conclusion to this for a long time. IMO, USA is not a mediator of choice for Arabs; and nothing will happen. Probably, they should get someone who has nothing to do with it yet. Say, Brazil? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: I would like to see little kids from there grow up and go to scholl without being afraid of some Ba'ath party official coming to hurt them or their family, how about you? I would like to see that for every kid around the World. How many countries are dictatorship? Are you going to invade them all?

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ColinDavies

Thomas George wrote: where as now it is a Jewish state by constitution. I believe Israel is without a constitution still World fact book[^] More a list of operational instructions. Regardz Colin J Davies

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KaRl

Felix Gartsman wrote: Europe should force Lebanon/Syria to build new cities for refugees, to ease the suffering. Do these refugees Want to settle in Syrya or Lebanon, or do they want to return where they are coming from :confused: ?

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Felix Gartsman

KaЯl wrote: Do these refugees Want to settle in Syrya or Lebanon, or do they want to return where they are coming from ? I guess to return, but it wont happen while Israel exists (no one sane/practical thinks otherwise). For 50 years they are hammered with the return myth, which prevents any solution. Only when real solution to refugees created peace process will forward. All 'roadmaps' will lead nowhere until compramise on the real issues forged. That's why Oslo failed, it delayed solutions, not created them.

KaRl

I tend to agree, but US are already implied in the Middle-East mess with the help they give to Israel. And I can't see how they could stop this help.

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Bedri Egrilmez

Israel invaded Palestine and Lebanon. Iraq invaded Kuwait. UN (remember UN? there was such a thing before Dubya era) passed more resolutions condemning Israel than all Arab countries combined. Yet US is Israel's best buddy, whereas Iraq is now at the center of Dubya's axis of evil. Israel has a sizeable nuclear arsenal, which is a big no-no for its neighbors. Despite that, financial aid from US Congress pours into Israel. Every American meditator on Middle-East affairs is Jew. How can the government be sure they are fair? If I were an Arab, I would certainly be a little uncomfortable. When an American is caught smuggling drugs in Turkey, we have Midnight Express (and that crap actually won a couple of Oscars). When there is a family dispute among an Iranian-American family, we have Not Without My Daughter. Yet when an American protester is crushed to death by an American donated bulldozer in Israel, the incident is either completely ignored, or the girl becomes the butt of jokes.

KaRl

Felix Gartsman wrote: it wont happen while Israel exists Yep, it couldn't be safe. Don't you believe these refugees could have the same feelings as the Jews before WW2, hoping to go back to a country they were "forced" (from their point of view) to leave generations ago? It's a never ending story.

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Michael A Barnhart

Yes good link. If my memory is correct today (and it has failed recently :) ) as for US involvement Truman did support a Jewish state but Roosevelt did not. He wanted a common country that was shared. With Roosevelt's death this sudden change in US policy was not welcomed. Sound familiar? ""

Felix Gartsman

KaЯl wrote: Don't you believe these refugees could have the same feelings as the Jews before WW2, hoping to go back to a country they were "forced" (from their point of view) to leave generations ago? It's a never ending story. If you act based on feelings, it wont take you far. After 50 (100) years of suffering it's time to solve issues, not argue about history. Unfortunatelly, it doesn't seem to happen any time soon.

Felix Gartsman

Samer12 wrote: not palastine did palastinians ever tried to destroy any religios place even jews's How about the Joseph Tomb in Nablus? Check http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/joetomb.html[^] http://www.internationalwallofprayer.org/A-083-Take-Back-Josephs-Tomb.html[^]

KaRl

Felix Gartsman wrote: After 50 (100) years of suffering it's time to solve issues, not argue about history. Unfortunatelly, it doesn't seem to happen any time soon. Is it possible in your opinion Israel could accept to have an independant palestinian state over the West Bank and Gaza strip, without Jerusalem? Isn't it possible to "exchange" the "right to return" with the removal of all settlers from the future palestinian state?

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Brit

(1) The US trusts Israel more than they trust the Arab governments. In part, this is because Israel is a democracy whereas Arab governments are largely dictatorships, monarchies, theocracies (Iran). The obvious counterexample is Egypt, which is a democracy - though, I should mention that the US gives over $1 billion per year in aid to Egypt, and has done so for roughly the past 25 years. (2) Palestine and a number of Arab governments were strongly backed by the USSR. (When the USSR collapsed in 1990, the funds which the Palestinian Authority had available to it dropped by roughly 80% because that's the proportion that was coming from the USSR.) Again, the close relationship between some Arab groups and the USSR damaged US trust of them. (3) Muslims have an ambivilent attitude towards Western culture. Some hate it, some love it. Israelis, on the other hand, are largely western-thinking, well-educated, and part of a first-world democracy. As for the Israeli nuclear arsenal, they've had it for three decades now. Only 2 of the 22 Arab league members have diplomatic relations with Israel, and they've tried to invade Israel three times. Israel has a legitimate argument for a nuclear deterent against the masses of Arabs that would like nothing better than to see them wiped off the face of the earth. Israel isn't waving their nuclear arsenal around and they really have no conquest ambitions in the region. (You might argue that they have ambitions towards conquering all of Palestine, but the Israelis don't really know what they want, and their nuclear arsenal is irrelevant in that situation, anyway. Israel certainly have no ambitions to conquer the Arab world - as some hysterical Arab commentators claim.) On the other hand, whenever someone says, "Israel can have nukes, why can't the Arabs?" It strikes me as a statement that can only be made if you pretend there is no difference between Israel and its Arab neighbors. If you really look at the situation - for example, the possibility of an expansionistic dictator who has no qualms about killing millions getting nukes - then things look a lot more obvious. But, then, strong emotion always trumps logic, and the West comes off looking like it has double-standards because people ignore the facts they want to ignore and emphasize the facts they want. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

Felix Gartsman

KaЯl wrote: Is it possible in your opinion Israel could accept to have an independant palestinian state over the West Bank and Gaza strip, without Jerusalem? Defenatelly, though probably not immediatelly (too much 'kill 'em all' revenge feelings, but they soften each day without terror). I think east Jerusalem (without temple mountain) can also be part of the deal. KaЯl wrote: Isn't it possible to "exchange" the "right to return" with the removal of all settlers from the future palestinian state? It was proposed partially. Major settlement blocks (not in heart of arab population) were supposed to be exchanged territories inch-for-inch for Israel proper land. Arafat is too much all-or-nothing approach guy.

DODO

Well, I think that's part of the problem isn't it? I always heard that the '67 war was defensive for Israel. Egypt and Syria were building up and preparing to invade Israel so they launched a pre-emptive attack. :laugh:this is totaly un true Israel was trying to invade egypt if it was self defence why did they invadid SINAI ,now you know how the media,books are totaly Israeli ,by the way I dont hate all jews ,only zionist Israelis La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah

DODO

Palestenians living in Israel proper (over 1 million) can vote (arab voting rates higher than jewish) and elected. what arabs are you talking about those with palastinian origion or with Israeli ones are there any muslims amoung them La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah

DODO

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam aren't that far apart Of course they are not apart I belive in jesus the christ ,I belive in altawrah(Judaism book),I belive in Abraham,muslim men can even marry Christians and jews La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah