Parsing user input
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And I thought parsing dates that had been defined as strings or ints or decimals was a nightmare. Maybe there is a need for an AI to second guess what the user might have meant.
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You really need to parse addresses ?If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss. :confused:
I'd rather be phishing!
Maximilien wrote:
If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss.
Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users... So far the universe is winning
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
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You really need to parse addresses ?If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss. :confused:
I'd rather be phishing!
Fully agree! This is mission impossible. How can one know that "BOS" should be "BOX" and not "BOSS" or "BOSSA NOVA"? Keep it simple and no risk, no fun!
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
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We have several times received paper mail where the entire name/address is no more than an alphabet soup - yet it is delivered to us no more than one day delayed. First time this happened we were really puzzled: How could the mailman know that the mail is intended for us? (It is!) Finally we realized that a keyboard "Left shift" operation would give our name and address correctly. Later, we have seen both right and left shifts, of one hand or both hands. I asked a mail guy about it, and he confirmed that is is well known: If name/address looks like alphabet soup, chances are 9 in 10 that a keyboard shift changes it to a sensible address. Maybe you should include full and partial (i.e. one-hand) right and left shifts in your user input parsing. But don't expect the shift machine instructions to be of great help for this task :-)
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Maximilien wrote:
If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss.
Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users... So far the universe is winning
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users...
You made my day with this phrase!
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Maximilien wrote:
If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss.
Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users... So far the universe is winning
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
The universe will always win.
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
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I did an mailing list cleanup like this in the Jurassic era using dBase ][. I ended up trimming excess blanks, doing upper/lower case normalization and translation table lookup for common variants to translate. I don't remember how I identified exceptions back then, but now I'd use a dialog with options to add a option to manually correct, ignore (add to lookup as IGNORE string), add a translation record. Then there is the problem of dealing with addresses foreign to your country ... whew! Yup, this a problem to be managed, not solved, if unfiltered inputs are continuously added.
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You really need to parse addresses ?If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss. :confused:
I'd rather be phishing!
Maximilien wrote:
You really need to parse addresses ?If you start doing that, there will always be outliers that you will miss.
Sadly yes. And outliers are acceptable as we're trying to fill in some form fields that break out address, PO Box, and Rural Routes, and if everything fails, the address just gets put into the Address1 field. We're aiming for improvement rather than perfection. :) Marc
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When we put our mail on vacation hold, it validates and 'normalizes' the address, so I do understand what you're working with. Where I grew up, our address was RR#1; it wasn't until I was in my teens that we had an address with a number and street name. So.. consider this.. are you only dealing with P.O. and its variants or do you have R.R. addresses as well?
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
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My guess on the "K" is that some robot filled it in based on a record created via OCR. The United States Post office has a service you can use to "normalize" addresses. I suspect that each country has something similar. There is probably a service provider that aggregates all of these normalization services into one spot. (Amazon?)
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'.
Optically Corrupted Recognition?
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RR, CR, HC, etc., as well as regular street addresses (as best as those are). Perfect accuracy is not necessary, just best guess. :) Marc
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I smell OCR in the mix - hence the BOK, BOS, B0X, etc.
Software Zen:
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When we put our mail on vacation hold, it validates and 'normalizes' the address, so I do understand what you're working with. Where I grew up, our address was RR#1; it wasn't until I was in my teens that we had an address with a number and street name. So.. consider this.. are you only dealing with P.O. and its variants or do you have R.R. addresses as well?
Excellent point. Are there services that allow you to force user input validation of addresses against the USPS databases?
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Your could fashion the UI to eliminate the need to parse P.O. Box... etc. Have a drop down that contains these options: Street #, P.O. Box, RR#, CR, HC, etc And to the right of it, place a text box that accepts the actual number. Just a thought off the top.
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Woah... haven't seen you in a long time Chris. How's it going these days?
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
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Woah... haven't seen you in a long time Chris. How's it going these days?
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
i'm here occasionally. not constantly, as previously. it goes... on and on and on and on. :)
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Nelek wrote:
Software development is a constant war with the universe... Developers trying to do better idiot-proof software and the universe trying to do even dumber users...
You made my day with this phrase!
You are welcome :) :-D
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Examples (#'s have been removed):
P O BOX
P.O. BOX
PMB
PO B0X
PO BO X
PO BOK
PO BOS
BOX:sigh: The one with the 'K' is interesting. 'K' is on the opposite side of the keyboard -- I can understand the 'S'. The hardest part about parsing crap like this (there are 166,333 records) is determining what other variants I did not parse correctly (for example, considered as a street address, not a PO Box), not which ones I successfully accounted for. Marc
Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802