what do you think about ad blocking?
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Foothill wrote:
If you're a business and your only source of revenue is advertisements
Well, there was this one company, named google. :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Google isn't in the advertising business, they are in the real-estate business. It just happens that the real-estate they sell is space on a very popular web-page. They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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So would you be OK with an ad-blocking solution that downloaded the ads, but didn't run the code or display them?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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You could have someone else cut out pieces of blank paper and paste them over the ads. If the medium is digital you might as well automate that task..
harold aptroot wrote:
If the medium is digital you might as well automate that task..
It's that mentality that makes people think everything on the internet should be free. That would be nice wouldn't it? :-\
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Google isn't in the advertising business, they are in the real-estate business. It just happens that the real-estate they sell is space on a very popular web-page. They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
Google isn't in the advertising business,
:omg:
Foothill wrote:
They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.
Exactly!
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Foothill wrote:
everything, including the kitchen sink, has been thrown into web pages.
Well, we needed somewhere to wash up status code 418[^]. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
With the IoT, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an extension to that joke such as: 419 I'm a refrigerator 432 I'm a light-bulb 455 I'm a vacuum cleaner etc....
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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MikeD 2 wrote:
Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?
No, totally disagree, in a "would go to war to stop it from happening"-way. Companies being able to arbitrarily force people to do what they want is some ridiculous dystopian scenario that completely dehumanizes people into livestock. Anyone who feels like a person instead of an animal should vehemently oppose this. Hiding content behind an adblock detector is fair game though, naturally I can't force them to do anything either. I generally leave those sites though.
I read the first paragraph and clicked on the upvote. I read the second and clicked on the upvote. The system will count only one but consider mine double.
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
Nah, I'm just too lazy and those are not worth my trouble. Nothing on the Web is that important.
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
it is self defense because the ads are slowing down, are annyoing and sometimes hinder visiting the website. I only deactivate adblocking on some interesting sites or if really necessary (so some sites I dont visit anymore)
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PeejayAdams wrote:
but I am not obliged to endure them.
Why not? Isn't the owner of the site stating that if you want to use my site you need to watch ads? It's an implicit contract?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
011111100010 wrote:
Why not? Isn't the owner of the site stating that if you want to use my site you need to watch ads? It's an implicit contract?
(Please note my answer is based on English law) 1) If I am merely browsing the site there is no contract. A contract does not exist without what is known as a consideration - generally, this involves some kind of exchange of goods, services or money. 2) Where there is a contract (e.g. on a subscription site), the provider could, if he so wished, insist on my accepting advertisements. There is a concept known as "incorporation" which dictates that any condition would have to be upfront and clearly part of the deal - not merely one parties unstated intent or something hidden from sight. 3) If I accept all of this and breach the contract by using an ad-blocker the provider could possibly sue me for breach of contract but he'd need to demonstrate a loss of earnings before he can seek that remedy. If the provider is selling adds on a pay-per-serve basis he has lost nothing. If he's on some other plan, he maybe has done but it's not generally advisable to sue people for a couple of pennies. So in reality, even if the contract does exist, it's not practically enforcable on that point. (That's a legal position not a moral one).
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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011111100010 wrote:
Why not? Isn't the owner of the site stating that if you want to use my site you need to watch ads? It's an implicit contract?
(Please note my answer is based on English law) 1) If I am merely browsing the site there is no contract. A contract does not exist without what is known as a consideration - generally, this involves some kind of exchange of goods, services or money. 2) Where there is a contract (e.g. on a subscription site), the provider could, if he so wished, insist on my accepting advertisements. There is a concept known as "incorporation" which dictates that any condition would have to be upfront and clearly part of the deal - not merely one parties unstated intent or something hidden from sight. 3) If I accept all of this and breach the contract by using an ad-blocker the provider could possibly sue me for breach of contract but he'd need to demonstrate a loss of earnings before he can seek that remedy. If the provider is selling adds on a pay-per-serve basis he has lost nothing. If he's on some other plan, he maybe has done but it's not generally advisable to sue people for a couple of pennies. So in reality, even if the contract does exist, it's not practically enforcable on that point. (That's a legal position not a moral one).
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
I wasn't meaning it in a literal legal sense. The internet is still too young for there to be much law regarding it. Someday, I fear, it may be though.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
I'm fine with an ad-blocker. The ads are just annoying and intrusive and I don't want to see them. If the site objects, I leave and find an alternate. I don't blame the sites - they're trying to make money but I don't have to be distracted by them.
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
That's what I do too. Mine is over 600KB right now and I add new entries every week.
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Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?
No, I most definitely do not agree. I have granted no one the right to make me see anything.
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That's what I do too. Mine is over 600KB right now and I add new entries every week.
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Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?
No, I most definitely do not agree. I have granted no one the right to make me see anything.
Rick York wrote:
Mine is over 600KB right now and I add new entries every week.
My hat is off to you! :thumbsup:
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
Ad blockers are fine, I use one and also have a huge hosts file. I think the site is also OK if they block access when they spot an ad blocker. I also think it is fine if the site requires $ubscription for access. Today, it is fairly easy to get the information I want by other means. When that stops, I will consider the alternatives. This is how business and the world operate. I would like to see an email service that charges for each email, that would stop a lot of spam. We pay a "mail washer" service to block spam and malware. They block 90% of the email to the server. I would never block Codeproject :) Would I pay for Codeproject? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
I do not block ads. I only block things that are violating my privacy by tracking me (even after setting the "do not track" flag of my browser to inform them that I do not wish to be tracked). I have not seen an ad in many months. I use Privacy Badger (in chrome and firefox) and have not seen any websites that will not load.
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
I've never bothered with ad blockers implemented as browser plugins as they tend to cause more problems than they're worth - not to mention that this approach means you have to have a blocker on each device on your network. Even host files need to be updated on each machine, so I don't find it to be particularly effective either. Not to mention you don't *have* access to a hosts file on some devices. I've settled on [Pi-hole](https://pi-hole.net/), which is essentially a DNS server combined with a domain blacklist. I run it on a tiny Linux VM running on a machine that's turned on 24/7 anyway. As long as your devices use it for DNS, they *all* get ad-blocking, including PCs, tablets, phones, smart TVS, gaming consoles, etc. [Edit] As I'm writing this, 108,896 domains are being blocked. I can add my own custom domains (and whitelists), but I find that generally whatever it comes with and gets updated with works well enough.
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
I do not use an adblocker or maintain a hosts file. Usually, the sites I go to aren't too bad with ads anyway. I have to admit to becoming annoyed when I have to wait more than a few seconds for a web page to finish loading due to ads/videos/feeds/etc. If the content is worth it, I'll wait or move on and let it finish...if not, then it's goodbye and on to the next item. As for the ads themselves, I pretty much ignore them and skip when given a chance.
MikeD 2 wrote:
Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?
I agree that they paid for ad space/time and have the right to pitch their wares in a nonintrusive manner, that is a quick loading visual/text in a predictable place. If I'm interested, I'll click, if not, then I just ignore it. What I hate is the 'in your face' approach where you have to click/skip through their pitch before viewing what I came there for. :mad:
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how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
I've been using uBlock Origin, but may drop it due to a) too many false positives (blocking things that aren't ads) and b) too often it doesn't appear to block actual ads!
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MikeD 2 wrote:
how many of you block ads?
I do not but this topic has been here before and I can tell you a lot of people do. I find it odd that software developers in particular are OK with blocking ads. We, of all people, should understand the need for a website to earn money and blocking their ads is stealing because you get the content without paying for it. I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here. Granted, I don't go to sites that have lots of ads. If someone here links to a site with lots of ads that lock up my browser, I just close the site and move on. Most sites, that I go to, do not run enough ads to be a bother.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
011111100010 wrote:
blocking their ads is stealing
[ :laugh: ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-XKtcfQJMw&feature=youtu.be&t=5m38s)
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I go further than just blocking ads. I use an Ad-Blocker, Ghostery, No-Script (on Firefox), with an HTML5 Auto-Play Disabler. When it comes to websites with an Ad-Blocker wall, if I really want to see, I use a small program that I wrote to perform an HTTP GET request and displays it's pure text return. More often then not, the content I want is in the response buried along with a thousand lines of anti-ad-blocking javascript. If this advertiser<>ad-blocker war continues to escalate, I might consider writing a very light weight web browser of my own that parses out everything but text content with the option of downloading images with a click.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
Ghostery
[Be wary, it's now owned by Cliqz](https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74yo19/cliqz\_and\_mozilla\_as\_i\_understand\_it\_and\_metadrama/).
