I went to the soapbox to find lively conversation and found crickets
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You like that one? There is double meaning in it. :-\
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Yes, pretty obvious. :)
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Oh, so you have proof they are harvesting unripe wheat? (Potatoes and beat are harvested in October. And it has started raining. )
Droogte stuwt prijs oude aardappeloogst - Boerderij.nl[^] Zeeuwse boeren oogsten mais eerder vanwege ernstige droogte - Dit is Midden-Zeeland[^]
With the prospect of the further drought of the coming weeks, many farmers have chosen eggs for their money. They decided to harvest their crops earlier, so that the damage is limited. Because of the heavy rain in the beginning of the season and the prolonged drought, the crops did not get a chance to grow. Because of the drought the corn plants even dry out and they do not have the yield they normally have. The size of the damage of the drought in total is not yet known.
Those who planted wine-grapes are having an unexpected good harvest. So while food-prices go up, at least we'll have enough wine.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Droogte stuwt prijs oude aardappeloogst - Boerderij.nl[^] Zeeuwse boeren oogsten mais eerder vanwege ernstige droogte - Dit is Midden-Zeeland[^]
With the prospect of the further drought of the coming weeks, many farmers have chosen eggs for their money. They decided to harvest their crops earlier, so that the damage is limited. Because of the heavy rain in the beginning of the season and the prolonged drought, the crops did not get a chance to grow. Because of the drought the corn plants even dry out and they do not have the yield they normally have. The size of the damage of the drought in total is not yet known.
Those who planted wine-grapes are having an unexpected good harvest. So while food-prices go up, at least we'll have enough wine.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
So the potato price spiked this week at 9 euros a 100 kgs, instead of 4, and that is a catastrophe is it? But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
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So the potato price spiked this week at 9 euros a 100 kgs, instead of 4, and that is a catastrophe is it? But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
It has started raining though, a few weeks back.
Not enough to save the harvest, and the measures put in place by the government to save water still remain active. Pests like blue algae thrive; causing a lot of fish to die. Must be beneficial, because "you said so" :suss:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
As explained a thousand times before; it is not a freak-year, there is a trend. You can look at the trend by plotting the raw measurements in Excel.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But in fact wheat is ripe, many fruits are too (the apples in my garden in the UK are ready, weeks ahead of normal).
And we all know that most livestock is fed with apples and grapes :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
It has started raining though, a few weeks back.
Not enough to save the harvest, and the measures put in place by the government to save water still remain active. Pests like blue algae thrive; causing a lot of fish to die. Must be beneficial, because "you said so" :suss:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But regardless, what has one years freak event, repeated ever few decades or so, got to do with climate?
As explained a thousand times before; it is not a freak-year, there is a trend. You can look at the trend by plotting the raw measurements in Excel.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But in fact wheat is ripe, many fruits are too (the apples in my garden in the UK are ready, weeks ahead of normal).
And we all know that most livestock is fed with apples and grapes :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
As explained a thousand times before
No you havent, and this is a typical technique used to claim an argument is already won.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
it is not a freak-year
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It is a freak year. Hasnt been this hot since 1976. Before that was in the 30s I believe. It is a freak year. The trend in global crop yields is up.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
there is a trend
There is a general trend in rising temperature since the 60s, but you are talking about a year that has been very dry. And that is the problem for crops, not the temperature. The actual temperature for July was not that hot: http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_July_2018_v6.jpg
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
most livestock
So moved on to cows have you? They are fed on grass. This year farmers are using winter silage because the grass has pretty much given up due to the drought. So, how much has the p;rice of milk gone up by? HOw much has the price of beef gone up by? Like your potatoes, that spiked at 9 euros a 100 kgs, foir a day or so, where is the catastrophe you promised?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
As explained a thousand times before
No you havent, and this is a typical technique used to claim an argument is already won.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
it is not a freak-year
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It is a freak year. Hasnt been this hot since 1976. Before that was in the 30s I believe. It is a freak year. The trend in global crop yields is up.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
there is a trend
There is a general trend in rising temperature since the 60s, but you are talking about a year that has been very dry. And that is the problem for crops, not the temperature. The actual temperature for July was not that hot: http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_July_2018_v6.jpg
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
most livestock
So moved on to cows have you? They are fed on grass. This year farmers are using winter silage because the grass has pretty much given up due to the drought. So, how much has the p;rice of milk gone up by? HOw much has the price of beef gone up by? Like your potatoes, that spiked at 9 euros a 100 kgs, foir a day or so, where is the catastrophe you promised?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No you havent, and this is a typical technique used to claim an argument is already won.
No, it isn't. It is a technique to prevent you from rehashing all that has been written in the previous threads.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
It is a freak year. The trend in global crop yields is up.
Data says there's no freak year, unless you want to label the past 20 years like that :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
There is a general trend in rising temperature since the 60s, but you are talking about a year that has been very dry. And that is the problem for crops, not the temperature.
Hot summers usually come with less rain. Go ahead and explain to our farmers how it is not a problem :thumbsup:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So moved on to cows have you? They are fed on grass. This year farmers are using winter silage because the grass has pretty much given up due to the drought. So, how much has the p;rice of milk gone up by? HOw much has the price of beef gone up by?
Prices move slower than that; todays meat in the supermarket is not eating todays gras. Wait a few months and prices will move :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Like your potatoes, that spiked at 9 euros a 100 kgs, foir a day or so, where is the catastrophe you promised?
Given the current trend, I'd say it is only a few years away.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
No you havent, and this is a typical technique used to claim an argument is already won.
No, it isn't. It is a technique to prevent you from rehashing all that has been written in the previous threads.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
It is a freak year. The trend in global crop yields is up.
Data says there's no freak year, unless you want to label the past 20 years like that :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
There is a general trend in rising temperature since the 60s, but you are talking about a year that has been very dry. And that is the problem for crops, not the temperature.
Hot summers usually come with less rain. Go ahead and explain to our farmers how it is not a problem :thumbsup:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So moved on to cows have you? They are fed on grass. This year farmers are using winter silage because the grass has pretty much given up due to the drought. So, how much has the p;rice of milk gone up by? HOw much has the price of beef gone up by?
Prices move slower than that; todays meat in the supermarket is not eating todays gras. Wait a few months and prices will move :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Like your potatoes, that spiked at 9 euros a 100 kgs, foir a day or so, where is the catastrophe you promised?
Given the current trend, I'd say it is only a few years away.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Data says there's no freak year,
Who is Data and why does his opinion differ from everyone else's, that 2018 is a freak year for warmth and dryness in western europe? :)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Hot summers usually come with less rain
Freak hot summer like this one? Yes. Obviously, since less clouds means more warmth at the surface. In general though there has been no change in rainfall as the surface has warmed over the last century/
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Prices move slower than that;
Actually people buy goods today if the price is expected to be higher tomorrow so they can save money/make a profit. This pushes up today's prices. It is called speculation. A futures market. Why do you think your link to potato prices showed a spike even though potatoes are harvested in August? Why has that spike come down? Because of the recent change in weather. It has started raining.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'd say it is only a few years away
I am sure we will be around for a few more years. We can all laugh at your chicken little terror then. :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Data says there's no freak year,
Who is Data and why does his opinion differ from everyone else's, that 2018 is a freak year for warmth and dryness in western europe? :)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Hot summers usually come with less rain
Freak hot summer like this one? Yes. Obviously, since less clouds means more warmth at the surface. In general though there has been no change in rainfall as the surface has warmed over the last century/
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Prices move slower than that;
Actually people buy goods today if the price is expected to be higher tomorrow so they can save money/make a profit. This pushes up today's prices. It is called speculation. A futures market. Why do you think your link to potato prices showed a spike even though potatoes are harvested in August? Why has that spike come down? Because of the recent change in weather. It has started raining.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'd say it is only a few years away
I am sure we will be around for a few more years. We can all laugh at your chicken little terror then. :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who is Data and why does his opinion differ from everyone else's, that 2018 is a freak year for warmth and dryness in western europe? :)
Doesn't differ from everybody elses; people call it a freak-year because the weather seems freaky - not because it is an exception. Raw measurements are available, and it shows that this year is still in line with the warming trend.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Freak hot summer like this one? Yes. Obviously, since less clouds means more warmth at the surface. In general though there has been no change in rainfall as the surface has warmed over the last century/
Haha, even without GW has there been a change in rainfall-patterns :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Actually people buy goods today if the price is expected to be higher tomorrow so they can save money/make a profit. This pushes up today's prices. It is called speculation. A futures market. Why do you think your link to potato prices showed a spike even though potatoes are harvested in August? Why has that spike come down? Because of the recent change in weather. It has started raining.
Prices in the supermarket react slower than the commodities exchange. The recent rain might have given investors the idea that there will be more produce, but that is why we call it "speculation".
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I am sure we will be around for a few more years. We can all laugh at your chicken little terror then. :)
I didn't say we wouldn't be around; but the standard of living will decline, due to a combination of GW and economics. MIT puts it near 2020; I'm a bit more optimistic.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who is Data and why does his opinion differ from everyone else's, that 2018 is a freak year for warmth and dryness in western europe? :)
Doesn't differ from everybody elses; people call it a freak-year because the weather seems freaky - not because it is an exception. Raw measurements are available, and it shows that this year is still in line with the warming trend.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Freak hot summer like this one? Yes. Obviously, since less clouds means more warmth at the surface. In general though there has been no change in rainfall as the surface has warmed over the last century/
Haha, even without GW has there been a change in rainfall-patterns :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Actually people buy goods today if the price is expected to be higher tomorrow so they can save money/make a profit. This pushes up today's prices. It is called speculation. A futures market. Why do you think your link to potato prices showed a spike even though potatoes are harvested in August? Why has that spike come down? Because of the recent change in weather. It has started raining.
Prices in the supermarket react slower than the commodities exchange. The recent rain might have given investors the idea that there will be more produce, but that is why we call it "speculation".
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I am sure we will be around for a few more years. We can all laugh at your chicken little terror then. :)
I didn't say we wouldn't be around; but the standard of living will decline, due to a combination of GW and economics. MIT puts it near 2020; I'm a bit more optimistic.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Doesn't differ from everybody elses; people call it a freak-year
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year," :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Wake up Eddie!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
even without GW has there been a change in rainfall-patterns
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed. ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns, answer my point instead of wandering off into irrelevancy.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Prices in the supermarket react slower
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the standard of living will decline, due to a combination of GW and economics.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Doesn't differ from everybody elses; people call it a freak-year
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year," :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Wake up Eddie!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
even without GW has there been a change in rainfall-patterns
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed. ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns, answer my point instead of wandering off into irrelevancy.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Prices in the supermarket react slower
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the standard of living will decline, due to a combination of GW and economics.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year,"
It is not according to the data, it is in line with a warming trend. Doesn't stop the general public from saying that we have had yet another freak year.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed.
"Science".
Munchies_Matt wrote:
ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns
They have been documented, and is part of modern education in schools :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Yes, eventually. Supermarkets (and other vendors) also tend to "smear out" the price-raise over a longer time-period, so the customer doesn't notice too much.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
We were already talking about economics, when the price of potatoes was brought up. :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year,"
It is not according to the data, it is in line with a warming trend. Doesn't stop the general public from saying that we have had yet another freak year.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed.
"Science".
Munchies_Matt wrote:
ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns
They have been documented, and is part of modern education in schools :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Yes, eventually. Supermarkets (and other vendors) also tend to "smear out" the price-raise over a longer time-period, so the customer doesn't notice too much.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
We were already talking about economics, when the price of potatoes was brought up. :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
t is in line with a warming trend
No it isnt, it is a freak year. As I showed you a few posts back, UAH data shows this years is not that warm globally. But parts of the globe have had freak warm weather. (THis is of course due to the jet stream and nothing to do with GW)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
"Science".
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data? Since there hasnt been a trend in rainfall, over any of the warming, and cooling periods of the last century, and yes, post war cooling was very real, it is fairly safe to say that in the temperature range we are experiencing rainfall does not correlate with temperature. Thus rendering your statement that warm = less rain invalid. Also your statement about 'it has been documented, they teach this in schools'. Utter BS. Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen. Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
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So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
t is in line with a warming trend
No it isnt, it is a freak year. As I showed you a few posts back, UAH data shows this years is not that warm globally. But parts of the globe have had freak warm weather. (THis is of course due to the jet stream and nothing to do with GW)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
"Science".
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data? Since there hasnt been a trend in rainfall, over any of the warming, and cooling periods of the last century, and yes, post war cooling was very real, it is fairly safe to say that in the temperature range we are experiencing rainfall does not correlate with temperature. Thus rendering your statement that warm = less rain invalid. Also your statement about 'it has been documented, they teach this in schools'. Utter BS. Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen. Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
No, of course not :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No it isnt, it is a freak year.
It is not. My Excel-trendline did not change due to your comment. Here's a hint; it is based on measurements, not on a subjective opinion.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data?
Learn to write the word before you use it. "Empirical". And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen.
That's YOUR misinterpretation :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
For me personally, catastrophe does not exist; I have no stake in the outcome, and do not care either way. It is not used in that subjective way, since communicating requires using the same definition - the one in da dictionary :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
No, of course not :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No it isnt, it is a freak year.
It is not. My Excel-trendline did not change due to your comment. Here's a hint; it is based on measurements, not on a subjective opinion.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data?
Learn to write the word before you use it. "Empirical". And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen.
That's YOUR misinterpretation :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
For me personally, catastrophe does not exist; I have no stake in the outcome, and do not care either way. It is not used in that subjective way, since communicating requires using the same definition - the one in da dictionary :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Provide that data. Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years. Waiting for the data and definition now...
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So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Provide that data. Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years. Waiting for the data and definition now...
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
2018 isn't finished, and we have set some new records. It is not a freak-year, since it is not an exception. It is in line with the trend, and as such, was expected.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Provide that data.
Haha :D Provide me with funding, and I might. If you want something for free, go beg somewhere else; I've already been educating for free for too long :thumbsup:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years.
Sure :) noun a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war. any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe. a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
2018 isn't finished, and we have set some new records. It is not a freak-year, since it is not an exception. It is in line with the trend, and as such, was expected.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Provide that data.
Haha :D Provide me with funding, and I might. If you want something for free, go beg somewhere else; I've already been educating for free for too long :thumbsup:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years.
Sure :) noun a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war. any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe. a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not? Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
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OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not? Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not?
It is not according to data. It is warmer, yes, but that was expected. It will not be a "one off" event.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern
You can wait for an eternity for all I care :D Also, for rain it matters not if the rainforest is disappearing due to warming or chainsaws.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
Not "we", but I hope you will :) --edit I got plenty of time btw; I'm assuming you are having a holiday?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not?
It is not according to data. It is warmer, yes, but that was expected. It will not be a "one off" event.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern
You can wait for an eternity for all I care :D Also, for rain it matters not if the rainforest is disappearing due to warming or chainsaws.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
Not "we", but I hope you will :) --edit I got plenty of time btw; I'm assuming you are having a holiday?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is not according to data.
What data? Care to provide this too?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
ou can wait for an eternity for all I care
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind. Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is not according to data.
What data? Care to provide this too?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
ou can wait for an eternity for all I care
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind. Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Care to provide this too?
Already done so; free download at the KNMI. Some other countries provide similar. So, I do not provide it, since it is not "my" data; they provide it, as an aggragate of the weather stations.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind.
Always the sofist; on the contrary, I'm using data that is publicly available and used by other institutes. Your arguments here (to convince the coders!) are mostly hit-and-run stuff that can be easily be dismissed; sometimes even by your own arguments.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
It makes me the one with the raw facts, and you the one that keeps cherry-picking to find anything that remotely can be used to create more confusion. You are putting a lot of unpaid effort in this; so who is paying for your sandwich? :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Care to provide this too?
Already done so; free download at the KNMI. Some other countries provide similar. So, I do not provide it, since it is not "my" data; they provide it, as an aggragate of the weather stations.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind.
Always the sofist; on the contrary, I'm using data that is publicly available and used by other institutes. Your arguments here (to convince the coders!) are mostly hit-and-run stuff that can be easily be dismissed; sometimes even by your own arguments.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
It makes me the one with the raw facts, and you the one that keeps cherry-picking to find anything that remotely can be used to create more confusion. You are putting a lot of unpaid effort in this; so who is paying for your sandwich? :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Already done so;
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data? Hmm?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So, I do not provide it
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm using data
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of shit.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Already done so;
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data? Hmm?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So, I do not provide it
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm using data
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of shit.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data?
Search CodeProject? Why would I give you a link I already gave you?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Just noting that it is not "my" data, but part of the public domain.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of sh*t.
That's your place already :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
