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  • L Lost User

    I quite like VSCode; but I absolutely love emacs. ;P

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    Marc Clifton
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    Richard MacCutchan wrote:

    but I absolutely love emacs.

    Masochist! :-D

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    • C CodeWraith

      Marc Clifton wrote:

      You obviously get deserve what you pay for

      FTFY I used Sharp Develop until now and was very happy with it. Now that it is dead, I will sooner forget that I ever heard of .Net than to crawl back to Mickeysoft. C++ is better for what I like to do anyway.

      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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      Marc Clifton
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      CodeWraith wrote:

      I will sooner forget that I ever heard of .Net .... C++ is better for what I like to do anyway.

      Heh, I have the reverse reaction. :) At this point, I'd rather work in Python than touch C++!

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      • M Marc Clifton

        hakimio wrote:

        ry JetBrains Rider.

        I like JetBrains Rider. But it's a rather overkill to edit Javascript files in an Angular app.

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        englebart
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        For JavaScript, use the Google Chrome source debugger tab with a workspace mapping. Pause your javascript at a breakpoint and start editing! You will get "live intellisense" on all of your referenced objects based on their current state.

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        • M Marc Clifton

          hakimio wrote:

          ry JetBrains Rider.

          I like JetBrains Rider. But it's a rather overkill to edit Javascript files in an Angular app.

          Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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          hakimio
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          Well, it also has much better support for TypeScript and Angular than Visual Studio Code. For minor typo fixes Notepad++ might be fine, but if you need any real work done you should always fire-up full fledged IDE like Rider or Visual Studio.

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          • D darktrick544

            VC++ 6.0 ruined everything for me. I still use VS2008 just because of the editor. I really miss BRIEF...

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            Brief by UnderWare, Inc. I wrote my own "intellisense" modules in their LISP-like macro language to load the C language structures for our database out of the header files into a popup menu. Hot key, pick the table, pick the column, hit enter to insert into the editor. Also, I loved the fact that you could load files larger than physical memory within a blink of an eye. You had to go to lunch when you were ready to "make" your project which was only 150 .c files. (45 minutes to build on a 12Mhz i286) Now I have a machine that will build 30,000 much larger source files in 4 minutes!

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            • M Marc Clifton

              I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

              Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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              Thornik
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              Just relax and install Notepad++ :)

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              • D darktrick544

                VC++ 6.0 ruined everything for me. I still use VS2008 just because of the editor. I really miss BRIEF...

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                MarkTJohnson
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                darktrick544 wrote:

                I really miss BRIEF...

                Amen. Loved the macro language. jEdit is sort of similar and does have an extensive macro capability.

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

                  Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                  Asday
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                  This sort of nonsense is why I moved to Atom... Up until... You know. [This sort of nonsense](https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/15323).

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                  • A Asday

                    This sort of nonsense is why I moved to Atom... Up until... You know. [This sort of nonsense](https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/15323).

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    Asday wrote:

                    Up until... You know. This sort of nonsense.

                    These editors should not be written in Javascript. :sigh:

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

                      Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                      Davie21240
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                      hate using the mouse, my arm gets repetitive motion injuries :cool: :java:

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                      • A Asday

                        This sort of nonsense is why I moved to Atom... Up until... You know. [This sort of nonsense](https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/15323).

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                        Davie21240
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                        My son likes using Atom. Nice.

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          Asday wrote:

                          Up until... You know. This sort of nonsense.

                          These editors should not be written in Javascript. :sigh:

                          Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                          Asday
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                          Right!? What's a good way to display frequent font colour changes and indentation? Aah I know! Thousands of ``s! NO. NO. Do _NOT_ do that.

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                          • L Lost User

                            I quite like VSCode; but I absolutely love emacs. ;P

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                            ajhampson
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                            :thumbsup: I was just thinking, use emacs! :laugh:

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                            • J Jacquers

                              Why not just use ctrl-s to save the file?

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                              sasadler
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                              Heh to me, ctrl-s is move cursor left one character position. I'm an old fart who used WordStar in the CP/M days and I really like the WordStar cursor control movements. Basically, all my editors and IDE's (even Microsoft Word or Libre Office) use WordStar control sequences (or appear to!). I have an AutoHotKey script that changes my WordStar control sequences into the appropriate keystrokes for particular editor/IDE I'm using at the time. I also use and old ZiffDavis utility (TradeKeys) to make the Cap Locks into the control key. Before I retired, it was quite funny watching an IT guys trying to use notepad when they had to mess with my machine. :)

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                              • L loctrice

                                Javascript is my favorite language. I don't think I've actually programmed c# for 4+ years now. I've done some debugging and a couple of fixes deployed but that's about it. I used to program c# for a living, and I liked it just fine. I prefer typescript to c# now though.

                                Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                ah, so you're really programming in C# then... without .net

                                #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                  ah, so you're really programming in C# then... without .net

                                  #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                  loctrice
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                                  Yeah there's that. I also do regular ES6 without typescript, but mostly typescript.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    I'm referring to Sublime and Visual Studio Code. VSCode: look, when I Alt-F-S to save the file, put the cursor back on the document. I do not want to have to click on the document. VSCode: Page up and down should move the document up and down a full screen page. Don't just move the cursor first to the top or bottom of the page. VSCode: Shift up/down arrows. For f***cks sake, if I scroll past where the cursor is, so the cursor goes "off screen", move the cursor to top or bottom of the screen. Otherwise, shift up/down followed by up/down takes me back to wherever the cursor was when it scrolled off the screen. Sublime: Your bookmarks suck. Sublime: WTF happened to performance? All of a sudden everything is dog slow, which is why I switched to that POC VSCode. VSCode: Learn some lessons on how to do global search from Sublime. I think I'm just going to use VS 2017. You obviously get what you pay for.

                                    Latest Article - Web Frameworks - A Solution Looking for a Problem? Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                    JSilvers
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                                    Fortunately CodeWright works just fine in Windows 7, and I'm not afflicted with tabbed documents. I can edit multiple files at a time and see all of them that will fit across my wide monitor.

                                    Joan F Silverston jsilverston@cox.net nhswinc.com

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                                      Fortunately CodeWright works just fine in Windows 7, and I'm not afflicted with tabbed documents. I can edit multiple files at a time and see all of them that will fit across my wide monitor.

                                      Joan F Silverston jsilverston@cox.net nhswinc.com

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                                      Br Bill
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                                      And its Brief emulation was awesome.

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                                      • D darktrick544

                                        VC++ 6.0 ruined everything for me. I still use VS2008 just because of the editor. I really miss BRIEF...

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                                        Dean Roddey
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                                        Yeh, I was a Brief user for a long time, and then most editors provided good Brief emulation for a good while after that. So I had those keys in my fingers and it was hard to change.

                                        Explorans limites defectum

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                                        • E englebart

                                          Brief by UnderWare, Inc. I wrote my own "intellisense" modules in their LISP-like macro language to load the C language structures for our database out of the header files into a popup menu. Hot key, pick the table, pick the column, hit enter to insert into the editor. Also, I loved the fact that you could load files larger than physical memory within a blink of an eye. You had to go to lunch when you were ready to "make" your project which was only 150 .c files. (45 minutes to build on a 12Mhz i286) Now I have a machine that will build 30,000 much larger source files in 4 minutes!

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                                          darktrick544
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                                          Very cool

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