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  • K Kevin Marois

    Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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    David Carta
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    Solution to the problem, not the rant. Learn the WINDOWS + ARROWS key shortcuts to move windows around the screen and between monitors. Keeps your hands on the keyboard for faster workflow. Windows 10 tip: More window-snapping shortcuts and secrets | ZDNet[^]


    "Qulatiy is Job #1"

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    • K Kevin Marois

      Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      User 10208034
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      I think this is true for a vast majority of the modern UI world, regardless of the application or OS. There's no place to tap/click/touch without invoking a control. Drives me absolutely crazy.

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      • J JohaViss61

        If you have an MSDN subscription, you can download all the way back to Office 95 :cool: There's even Windows 3.1 if you want to go all nostalgic I think the availability depends on the subscription. (I have an Enterprise subscription)

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        Nelek
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        Didn't know... thank you.

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        • K Kevin Marois

          Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          willichan
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          After taking the backward leap to the "Modern" interface, we are now moving into the "Cubism" period. Just keep watching. We should be seeing "surealism" making its way into UI design soon. Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.

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            I agree, but you can use the same trick I use when a dialog is off screen (after unplugging a monitor eg.) - in the Windows taskbar hover over the application - hover over the thumbnail that appears - right click and select "Move" - use the arrow keys to move the window not ideal, but faster than 2 minutes :-) (but perhaps that was the solution you found ;-))

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            willichan
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            I'm kind of old-school. I still use [Alt-Space], [M]. You can use mouse or keys from there. Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.

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            • K Kevin Marois

              Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              Daniel Wilianto
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              Oh yeah. Chrome and Firefox's title bar area are narrowed too, because they are filled with tabs. And if you have opened enough tab, you have no place to drag and drop the window anymore. They sacrificed functionality just so we can see a little bit more of opened website.

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              • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                Their instructions say

                1. Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click Excel Options.

                What "Microsoft Office Button"?! Oh, this is for Excel 2007, which probably doesn't even open in Windows 10, and of course things were rearranged in Excel 2016. So after some hunting around... \>File > Options (way down at the bottom) > Advanced / Cut, copy, and paste / first check box

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                markrlondon
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                Excel 2007 (and all the other 2007 Office apps) run just fine in Windows 10. And they have loads of title bar space.

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                  Excel 2007 (and all the other 2007 Office apps) run just fine in Windows 10. And they have loads of title bar space.

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                  I was being facetious. Sort of. :)

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                  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                    I was being facetious. Sort of. :)

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                    :-D

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