Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Code Project
  1. Home
  2. The Lounge
  3. The "Evolution" of Windows

The "Evolution" of Windows

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved The Lounge
toolshelp
49 Posts 28 Posters 193 Views 1 Watching
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

    Excel is also bad for this, putting up a little symbol menu after a paste operation, or previewing a window containing another Excel document, both covering up things that you want to look at. Just stop with all this nonsense!

    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

    M Offline
    M Offline
    mngerhold
    wrote on last edited by
    #23

    That silly Excel 'thing' that, as you say, hides things, has annoyed me for a while, so I was motivated to look for a fix: easy! see Make Paste Options button disappear after you paste - Office | Microsoft Docs[^]

    Greg UtasG 2 Replies Last reply
    0
    • M mngerhold

      That silly Excel 'thing' that, as you say, hides things, has annoyed me for a while, so I was motivated to look for a fix: easy! see Make Paste Options button disappear after you paste - Office | Microsoft Docs[^]

      Greg UtasG Offline
      Greg UtasG Offline
      Greg Utas
      wrote on last edited by
      #24

      :thumbsup: But people who want this shite should have to go through this!

      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

      <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
      <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

      M 1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • M mngerhold

        That silly Excel 'thing' that, as you say, hides things, has annoyed me for a while, so I was motivated to look for a fix: easy! see Make Paste Options button disappear after you paste - Office | Microsoft Docs[^]

        Greg UtasG Offline
        Greg UtasG Offline
        Greg Utas
        wrote on last edited by
        #25

        Their instructions say

        1. Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click Excel Options.

        What "Microsoft Office Button"?! Oh, this is for Excel 2007, which probably doesn't even open in Windows 10, and of course things were rearranged in Excel 2016. So after some hunting around... \>File > Options (way down at the bottom) > Advanced / Cut, copy, and paste / first check box

        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

        <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
        <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

        M 1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

          :thumbsup: But people who want this shite should have to go through this!

          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

          M Offline
          M Offline
          mngerhold
          wrote on last edited by
          #26

          Couldn't agree more - quite how MS (or whoever) decide what the default should be is anyone's guess, but they didn't ask me - I wonder who they did ask, if anyone?

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • G GenJerDan

            I've got pretty much the same thing with the taskbar. So many pinned or running programs, there's no room to right-click.

            We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube, VidMe and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc. and FB

            Q Offline
            Q Offline
            Quirkafleeg
            wrote on last edited by
            #27

            Sounds like a partially self-inflicted problem. The not-obvious solution: Right click the date/time...

            G 1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • Q Quirkafleeg

              Sounds like a partially self-inflicted problem. The not-obvious solution: Right click the date/time...

              G Offline
              G Offline
              GenJerDan
              wrote on last edited by
              #28

              Excellent. I didn't know the clock would show more than offering to change the date/time. The task bar is a setting problem...my computer at work, just shows the running program icon, but at home I get a wide buttony thing with the program name. I'm sure there's a setting somewhere...ah...yes...I never thought to actually look before. :doh: "Combine taskbar buttons" seems to do it.

              We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube, VidMe and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc. and FB

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • K Kevin Marois

                Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

                S Offline
                S Offline
                Stepan Hakobyan
                wrote on last edited by
                #29

                I wonder if you used a browser in the last 10 years. Nowadays using title bar for more functionality is a standard, and any "big" application uses it.

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • K Kevin Marois

                  Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

                  K Offline
                  K Offline
                  Kiriander
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #30

                  You can use any bit of the title bar to drag windows. I just did it, dragging the search bar. Then dragging the document title and status. Which Word version do you use? I'm on the currently newest.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • D dandy72

                    Haven't had that problem with Word, but Teams is pretty bad at this. I'm *always* struggling to find a place I can click on the caption to drag the window around. I suspect there's some devs at Microsoft being told that everybody's running everything fullscreen (y'know...like you would on a tablet or phone)...so who still uses non-maximized windows nowadays, that you'd want to move around...?

                    V Offline
                    V Offline
                    vaghelabhavesh
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #31

                    Yeah I also face the same problem with MS Teams.

                    If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • N Nelek

                      I think I still have one laying around somewhere in the external drives. And there is the internet archive... I suppose you can find oldies there too.

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

                      J Offline
                      J Offline
                      JohaViss61
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #32

                      If you have an MSDN subscription, you can download all the way back to Office 95 :cool: There's even Windows 3.1 if you want to go all nostalgic I think the availability depends on the subscription. (I have an Enterprise subscription)

                      N 1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • R Rage

                        It is windows key + Shift key + Arrow in the direction of the window.

                        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

                        B Offline
                        B Offline
                        Burnt Fingers
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #33

                        Thanks! Works on Ubuntu too.

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                          Excel is also bad for this, putting up a little symbol menu after a paste operation, or previewing a window containing another Excel document, both covering up things that you want to look at. Just stop with all this nonsense!

                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

                          P Offline
                          P Offline
                          Peter Adam
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #34

                          I like it, in my workflow a lot of times I paste only values not formulas (that are meaningless in the new workbook), and more often, I strip HTML formatting from text in Word with it.

                          Greg UtasG 1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • P Peter Adam

                            I like it, in my workflow a lot of times I paste only values not formulas (that are meaningless in the new workbook), and more often, I strip HTML formatting from text in Word with it.

                            Greg UtasG Offline
                            Greg UtasG Offline
                            Greg Utas
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #35

                            I paste values too, though not very often, and don't mind doing it without that thing that always overlays what I want to work on after pasting the usual way. :laugh:

                            Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

                            <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                            <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                              Just give it a few years, and Windows will no longer be able to open that document or even convert it to a version that can be opened. It happened to me with some stuff I had archived from the '90s. :mad:

                              Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

                              B Offline
                              B Offline
                              BryanFazekas
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #36

                              Microsoft blocks old file formats for "safety". :sigh: Those of us with a cynical bent might suspect that blocking old file formats was a push to get people to upgrade ... fortunately I'm not cynical ... ;P In Word 365: Click File --> Options --> Trust Center Click Trust Center Settings ... --> File Block Settings By default, file formats from the 90's are blocked. Read the instructions -- a checkmark indicates the file format/action is blocked. Uncheck any file formats you want to open. [This actually makes sense, although not at first blush.]

                              Greg UtasG 1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • B BryanFazekas

                                Microsoft blocks old file formats for "safety". :sigh: Those of us with a cynical bent might suspect that blocking old file formats was a push to get people to upgrade ... fortunately I'm not cynical ... ;P In Word 365: Click File --> Options --> Trust Center Click Trust Center Settings ... --> File Block Settings By default, file formats from the 90's are blocked. Read the instructions -- a checkmark indicates the file format/action is blocked. Uncheck any file formats you want to open. [This actually makes sense, although not at first blush.]

                                Greg UtasG Offline
                                Greg UtasG Offline
                                Greg Utas
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #37

                                I was trying to open stuff in PowerPoint'95, but none would open even after changing these settings (I have Office 2016 Professional but found them, so thanks for mentioning this). A search turned up zamzar.com, which failed to convert them when I tried a few years ago. But this time they succeeded. :)

                                Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

                                <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • K Kevin Marois

                                  Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

                                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

                                  G Offline
                                  G Offline
                                  Gilles Plante
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #38

                                  This has nothing to do with Windows. It has to do with the way Office apps are now developed, adding lots of things on the Title Bar, you can still mode the window, but you need to find a place where there isn't something else over it. FYI, it's the same on MacOS. I use Office 365 Windows 365 on both platforms, same thing.

                                  Gilles Plante

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • K Kevin Marois

                                    Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

                                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

                                    S Offline
                                    S Offline
                                    Slow Eddie
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #39

                                    I believe a lot of it is just "Change for the sake of change", and people trying to justify their job.:mad::mad: The same can be said for all of the creators of "new languages and frameworks". I started in 1980 and am right there with you.

                                    First Kill all of the designers, THEN the lawyers.

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                      Just give it a few years, and Windows will no longer be able to open that document or even convert it to a version that can be opened. It happened to me with some stuff I had archived from the '90s. :mad:

                                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles

                                      S Offline
                                      S Offline
                                      sasadler
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #40

                                      When I had that problem with some old word docs I installed Libre Office and it was able to open the old docs just fine.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • K Kevin Marois

                                        Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

                                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

                                        D Offline
                                        D Offline
                                        David Carta
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #41

                                        Solution to the problem, not the rant. Learn the WINDOWS + ARROWS key shortcuts to move windows around the screen and between monitors. Keeps your hands on the keyboard for faster workflow. Windows 10 tip: More window-snapping shortcuts and secrets | ZDNet[^]


                                        "Qulatiy is Job #1"

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • K Kevin Marois

                                          Earlier today I had to open a Word document and I wanted to move it to my other monitor. Then it occured to me - there's no place on the title bar to click & drag. The Title bar is full of "features" now. When did it ever become a good idea to move controls off a toolbar, which you can hide, rearrange, and move, to the Title Bar. Even the actualy title is some kind of save control that opens a drop down with save options. When I tried to drag to window to the other monitor, I hit the title, and instead of moving, this drop down opened. Then I had to actually go find some place in the title bar to hold on to to move the window. So instead of Click, Drag, Move, done, I had to spend 2 minutes trying to figure the damn thing out. What I'm sure was an "enhancment in the name of productivity" has really become an annoyance that makes me not want to use this app any more. After coding apps for 35+ years, I'm strugging to the the evolution in software we use these days.

                                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

                                          U Offline
                                          U Offline
                                          User 10208034
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #42

                                          I think this is true for a vast majority of the modern UI world, regardless of the application or OS. There's no place to tap/click/touch without invoking a control. Drives me absolutely crazy.

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • World
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups