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Re/ Dream Theater I listened to all the offerings on their web site. None were catchy. They reminded me of Grateful Dead which a co-worker many years ago espoused endlessly and attempted unsuccessfully to convince me were pleasurable to listen to.
"Catchy" is your "objective" measure for quality? Then surely most pop songs adhere to your standard! Pop is written to be "catchy" x| You didn't answer my question though. What do you consider to be an "objective" measure for quality and what music fits that bill?
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"Catchy" is your "objective" measure for quality? Then surely most pop songs adhere to your standard! Pop is written to be "catchy" x| You didn't answer my question though. What do you consider to be an "objective" measure for quality and what music fits that bill?
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Nothing wrong w/ catchy. As for pop as stated prior I can not tolerate mashed-potato music. As an example I hold the early works of Chicago in high regard another is that Tango fellow Astor Piazzolla and am fond of Ravi Shankar also Kronos Quartet. Obviously the Beatles are great though I tend to avoid them something about Mr. McCartney troubles me. As for "objective" measure as stated only time will tell. As for "quality" my definition is that which survives time. Perhaps the term requires definition.
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Nothing wrong w/ catchy. As for pop as stated prior I can not tolerate mashed-potato music. As an example I hold the early works of Chicago in high regard another is that Tango fellow Astor Piazzolla and am fond of Ravi Shankar also Kronos Quartet. Obviously the Beatles are great though I tend to avoid them something about Mr. McCartney troubles me. As for "objective" measure as stated only time will tell. As for "quality" my definition is that which survives time. Perhaps the term requires definition.
PaltryProgrammer wrote:
As for "objective" measure as stated only time will tell. As for "quality" my definition is that which survives time. Perhaps the term requires definition.
That's a terrible metric, as plenty of bad music is remembered and not all good music is (as I mentioned in my examples). Also, you'd need a crystal ball to decide what's good quality now :~ You must really enjoy N.W.A.[^] They were active from 1987 until 1991 and they recently got their own movie, so they're remembered for over 30 years now and there's no sign of them being forgotten. Really good quality, according to your standards (it is, by the way, but you'd dispute that).
PaltryProgrammer wrote:
Chicago [...] Tango fellow Astor Piazzolla and [...] Ravi Shankar also Kronos Quartet. Obviously the Beatles are great
At least you have a pretty wide taste :thumbsup:
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PaltryProgrammer wrote:
As for "objective" measure as stated only time will tell. As for "quality" my definition is that which survives time. Perhaps the term requires definition.
That's a terrible metric, as plenty of bad music is remembered and not all good music is (as I mentioned in my examples). Also, you'd need a crystal ball to decide what's good quality now :~ You must really enjoy N.W.A.[^] They were active from 1987 until 1991 and they recently got their own movie, so they're remembered for over 30 years now and there's no sign of them being forgotten. Really good quality, according to your standards (it is, by the way, but you'd dispute that).
PaltryProgrammer wrote:
Chicago [...] Tango fellow Astor Piazzolla and [...] Ravi Shankar also Kronos Quartet. Obviously the Beatles are great
At least you have a pretty wide taste :thumbsup:
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This morning BBC "Hard Talk" met w/ one maestro Semyon Bychkov in which he stated "... art reveals something of human nature." Perhaps this is what "great" i.e. "quality" music does. May I say I have a favorite piece of music and which I assume is great by any definition i.e. to wit in particular to be specific Stravinsky's "Firebird" though what it reveals I am not certain but it certainly is stirring maybe even catchy. I examined all the lists of "100 greatest rock bands". I found Dream Theater on none of them. In 100y this will remain true of this I am certain. Though to my surprise Grateful Dead was found on several. I accept the judgement of these sites. Who am I to argue particularly where they intersect. I am glad Chicago was found on several. Re/ N.W.A. W.O.W.! I do not recall ever being so insulted. I need no crystal ball to know in 100y they will be forgotten or I prefer remembered as schiit.
enum struct emusic_good_qualities { pleasurable, revealing, stirring, catchy, toe_tapping, thoughtful }; // more of these the better the music I must assume . what else can be added
I will not dispute all good music is not remembered as you clearly are more knowledgeable than myself but "good" is not "great" and things sometimes fall through the cracks.
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This morning BBC "Hard Talk" met w/ one maestro Semyon Bychkov in which he stated "... art reveals something of human nature." Perhaps this is what "great" i.e. "quality" music does. May I say I have a favorite piece of music and which I assume is great by any definition i.e. to wit in particular to be specific Stravinsky's "Firebird" though what it reveals I am not certain but it certainly is stirring maybe even catchy. I examined all the lists of "100 greatest rock bands". I found Dream Theater on none of them. In 100y this will remain true of this I am certain. Though to my surprise Grateful Dead was found on several. I accept the judgement of these sites. Who am I to argue particularly where they intersect. I am glad Chicago was found on several. Re/ N.W.A. W.O.W.! I do not recall ever being so insulted. I need no crystal ball to know in 100y they will be forgotten or I prefer remembered as schiit.
enum struct emusic_good_qualities { pleasurable, revealing, stirring, catchy, toe_tapping, thoughtful }; // more of these the better the music I must assume . what else can be added
I will not dispute all good music is not remembered as you clearly are more knowledgeable than myself but "good" is not "great" and things sometimes fall through the cracks.
PaltryProgrammer wrote:
I examined all the lists of "100 greatest rock bands". I found Dream Theater on none of them.
Yeah, because they're a metal band and they're on the greatest metal band lists.
PaltryProgrammer wrote:
Re/ N.W.A. W.O.W.! I do not recall ever being so insulted. I need no crystal ball to know in 100y they will be forgotten or I prefer remembered as schiit.
I literally just told you they just got their own movie after 30 years :doh: N.W.A. stirred up a BLM movement in the late 80's. If art reveals human nature, they revealed police brutality and the systematic oppression of black people in America. You may like it or not, but they've been more socially relevant than any rock band. It's also how Dr. Dre got famous, and Rolling Stone rates him as the 56th best musician of all time. So yeah, they will be remembered. You are very much confusing your personal taste with what is "objectively good". People are very different, and different music will stir different emotions in different people. What's pleasurable, revealing, stirring, catchy, toe tapping or thoughtful to you may not be those things to someone else and vice versa. Someone else may not even find those qualities all that important. For example, my mom always listens to lyrics and barely even hears the music, I listen to everything except the lyrics. I find Chicago a 13 in a dozen rock band, or at least what I've heard of them, but it's certainly easy to listen to.
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PaltryProgrammer wrote:
I examined all the lists of "100 greatest rock bands". I found Dream Theater on none of them.
Yeah, because they're a metal band and they're on the greatest metal band lists.
PaltryProgrammer wrote:
Re/ N.W.A. W.O.W.! I do not recall ever being so insulted. I need no crystal ball to know in 100y they will be forgotten or I prefer remembered as schiit.
I literally just told you they just got their own movie after 30 years :doh: N.W.A. stirred up a BLM movement in the late 80's. If art reveals human nature, they revealed police brutality and the systematic oppression of black people in America. You may like it or not, but they've been more socially relevant than any rock band. It's also how Dr. Dre got famous, and Rolling Stone rates him as the 56th best musician of all time. So yeah, they will be remembered. You are very much confusing your personal taste with what is "objectively good". People are very different, and different music will stir different emotions in different people. What's pleasurable, revealing, stirring, catchy, toe tapping or thoughtful to you may not be those things to someone else and vice versa. Someone else may not even find those qualities all that important. For example, my mom always listens to lyrics and barely even hears the music, I listen to everything except the lyrics. I find Chicago a 13 in a dozen rock band, or at least what I've heard of them, but it's certainly easy to listen to.
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"... they're on the greatest metal band lists." I found them number one on the list of 100 greatest bands w/ first name "Dream" whose drummer's aunt is named "Susan" "... they just got their own movie ..." Several biographies were made of Hitler so they are in good company "N.W.A. stirred up a BLM movement ..." So add
emusic_good_qualities::political_relevanceto the list and don't forget to stipulate it is necessary to wait a period of time to learn if a BLM movement is stirred up before deciding if it is good music "... they revealed police brutality ..." "Phuck Police" I can say that also while spitting and grabbing my crotch "It's also how Dr. Dre got famous ..." Is he of the hip hop/rap variety? Why do all such "songs" from that "genre" sound exactly alike? Do not tell me they do not "... and Rolling Stone rates him as the 56th best musician of all time." I can not investigate further as I lost audio for the time being Maybe that's a good thing "You are very much confusing your personal taste with what is "objectively good". Yes We agree completely "Someone else may not even find those qualities all that important." Somewhere on this Earth there is a person who enjoys eating dirt "... mom always listens to lyrics and barely even hears the music ..." So addemusic_good_qualities::good_lyricsto the list. She is fortunate to be able to discern the lyrics. I would like to do so but usually find them undiscernible "... Chicago a 13 in a dozen rock band ..." Am not certain of meaning. Might be missing a word or two
