Languages most current Jobs require.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
a software development snob
I represent that. There are languages, going back to BASIC, intended to be easy to learn and do a few simple things. Python is one of the latest of them. My father was an electronics engineer, but he was able to use BASIC to make some tables of figures he needed. That's about all he needed a programming language to do. I have seen newer versions of BASIC (VAX BASIC and Visual Basic) used for largish applications, but they weren't very good. The designers and developers didn't seem to have the proper mindset.
I liked what I found in Python, however I think that it's a really poor language for learning software development as it is not strongly typed among other weaknesses.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I liked what I found in Python, however I think that it's a really poor language for learning software development as it is not strongly typed among other weaknesses.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Essentially a scripting language, often used as glue. Definitely not a general-purpose programming language. I disagree about it not being good as a first language. It definitely should not be a final language. I think it has just enough to separate the wheat from the chaff -- anyone who wants to continue learning to program should quickly advance to a better language. And if it gets beginners in the habit of consistent indenting, so much the better.
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I know, right? Though now he also says he'd rather I were an analyst than a developer. I need to find a new project.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Though now he also says he'd rather I were an analyst than a developer
Sure, can he point out the difference then? :)
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
I need to find a new project.
A new employer. Someone that knows what they actually require.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Both of those look at search engines, not at job openings specifically.
+100! Most of the "popular languages" lists are worthless. Look at local job postings to see what languages are desired locally. The popularity of languages can be very local -- some years back the city I live in had a lot of listings for SQL Server, but none for Oracle. Another city 100 miles away was the reverse. Regarding Python? I don't know a single person who is using it professionally. There has been a lot of buzz around Python for several years, which prompts a lot of searches regarding Python, which pops it higher in the index, which does NOT necessarily produce more Python jobs ...
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
VB6, unfortunately, they do, wich is something you really MUST NOT LEARN.
:laugh: Visual Basic is a fine language, as good as any and better than many. Crap programs can be written in any language, and the garbage I've been exposed to in Java and C# programs, written by folks that have no clue what OO is, is legion. That said, I don't recommend VB6, as it's a dead language. There are many positions for VB -- it's in the top 20 in most lists -- but they are mostly legacy positions, supporting ancient code. I recently retired an application originally written in VS97/C++ (v5?), and it was a relief!
BryanFazekas wrote:
Look at local job postings to see what languages are desired locally. The popularity of languages can be very local -- some years back the city I live in had a lot of listings for SQL Server, but none for Oracle
Which is basic nonsense. If you understand SQL, then the difference between TSQL and PL/SQL is neglectable for normal tasks.
BryanFazekas wrote:
There are many positions for VB -- it's in the top 20 in most lists -- but they are mostly legacy positions, supporting ancient code. I recently retired an application originally written in VS97/C++ (v5?), and it was a relief!
Did nothing with the language recently. Just a bloody fine example of what is asked in the real world, vs the nonsense that Python and Java are somehow "popular". There's no jobs there, simple as that. You might as well learn COBOL.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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CodeProject.AI Server: AI the easy way.[^] Seems to use a lot of Python.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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In job offers (at least the ones I know), usually it is NOT the primary programming language. As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
CPallini wrote:
As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more.
I'd like to see a source for that claim; I'm not even ridiculing it because that is redundant. "More and more", did it climb from 0.21% usage to 0.22%? What comes preinstalled and works with Office, Exchange, SQL Server? Yes, your first idea must be Python! :laugh: Even Java is more requested. Not just locally btw. Python isn't even on the bloody list :sigh:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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BryanFazekas wrote:
Look at local job postings to see what languages are desired locally. The popularity of languages can be very local -- some years back the city I live in had a lot of listings for SQL Server, but none for Oracle
Which is basic nonsense. If you understand SQL, then the difference between TSQL and PL/SQL is neglectable for normal tasks.
BryanFazekas wrote:
There are many positions for VB -- it's in the top 20 in most lists -- but they are mostly legacy positions, supporting ancient code. I recently retired an application originally written in VS97/C++ (v5?), and it was a relief!
Did nothing with the language recently. Just a bloody fine example of what is asked in the real world, vs the nonsense that Python and Java are somehow "popular". There's no jobs there, simple as that. You might as well learn COBOL.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Which is basic nonsense. If you understand SQL, then the difference between TSQL and PL/SQL is neglectable for normal tasks.
I know that and you know that ... but the average hiring manager obviously did not. :-D
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You might as well learn COBOL.
Funny you say that, as there's a market for COBOL due to the sheer mass of legacy systems. When sheer record processing power is required, COBOL gets the job done. Banks and state governments have many millions of records and have a lot of COBOL in production to handle the flow. Systems written originally in the 60's are still in production. [Nope, I'm not a COBOL programmer.]
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Mayhaps you noticed the majority of the articles here isn't using Python?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
True. But then I don't recall saying they did. I was just pointing out that there were some professional uses of Python. Seems like the AI folks like it and AI is better than beer and pizza. Just ask them. :) On the more serious side, good luck in your search. I didn't mean to make light of it.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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I am currently trying to learn a new language. I am proficient in VB.NET, C#, SQL, and T-SQL. I'm familiar with HTML and CSS. According to the TIOBE Index, and the PYPL index Python is the leading language. Is this your experience? As I am currently looking for a new Job, is this, in your opinion the most required Job opening requirements? If not, what language would recommend? :confused: BTW I have come across Required languages that I have never heard of before, on Code Project or anywhere else!
A strange mix of languages here. One product is nearly pure C++, but is starting to also use C#. Another product is nearly pure C#, but uses a smidgeon of C++ to interact with the first product. Yet another product is pure C#, but uses a batch of P/Invokes to interact with other product written in C++. Finally, a few new web-based products that use a mix of C#, JavaScript, Python, and who knows what else. All of these products are in active development and hiring.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Which is basic nonsense. If you understand SQL, then the difference between TSQL and PL/SQL is neglectable for normal tasks.
I know that and you know that ... but the average hiring manager obviously did not. :-D
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You might as well learn COBOL.
Funny you say that, as there's a market for COBOL due to the sheer mass of legacy systems. When sheer record processing power is required, COBOL gets the job done. Banks and state governments have many millions of records and have a lot of COBOL in production to handle the flow. Systems written originally in the 60's are still in production. [Nope, I'm not a COBOL programmer.]
BryanFazekas wrote:
Funny you say that
It was intentional; a dead language that you should not learn, and has more job-opportunities than Python.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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True. But then I don't recall saying they did. I was just pointing out that there were some professional uses of Python. Seems like the AI folks like it and AI is better than beer and pizza. Just ask them. :) On the more serious side, good luck in your search. I didn't mean to make light of it.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
theoldfool wrote:
True. But then I don't recall saying they did
There's simply not enough demand.
theoldfool wrote:
I was just pointing out that there were some professional uses of Python
None said that there's no use for it. Just that it is not a viable route if you are aiming at a job that pays.
theoldfool wrote:
Seems like the AI folks like it and AI is better than beer and pizza
In that light, VB6 must be Chinese Takout still. After all, lots of companies like it.
theoldfool wrote:
On the more serious side, good luck in your search
Just pointing out facts; you do not have to enjoy them. If I was searching, I'd not rely on luck. :cool:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I am currently trying to learn a new language. I am proficient in VB.NET, C#, SQL, and T-SQL. I'm familiar with HTML and CSS. According to the TIOBE Index, and the PYPL index Python is the leading language. Is this your experience? As I am currently looking for a new Job, is this, in your opinion the most required Job opening requirements? If not, what language would recommend? :confused: BTW I have come across Required languages that I have never heard of before, on Code Project or anywhere else!
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I am currently trying to learn a new language. I am proficient in VB.NET, C#, SQL, and T-SQL. I'm familiar with HTML and CSS. According to the TIOBE Index, and the PYPL index Python is the leading language. Is this your experience? As I am currently looking for a new Job, is this, in your opinion the most required Job opening requirements? If not, what language would recommend? :confused: BTW I have come across Required languages that I have never heard of before, on Code Project or anywhere else!
I do Java, and I also have worked with python. Python is a funny experimental language, easier to work with than any basic dialect I have seen for non programmers and that is why it is immensely popular with AI/deep learning crowd. I have also some recollection, that it was gaining popularity with automated testing crowd. In my experience, python poses little challenge when learning it if you are already proficient in other programming languages. If you wan't to learn something new, maybe try picking a pure functional language?
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CPallini wrote:
As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more.
I'd like to see a source for that claim; I'm not even ridiculing it because that is redundant. "More and more", did it climb from 0.21% usage to 0.22%? What comes preinstalled and works with Office, Exchange, SQL Server? Yes, your first idea must be Python! :laugh: Even Java is more requested. Not just locally btw. Python isn't even on the bloody list :sigh:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I am currently trying to learn a new language. I am proficient in VB.NET, C#, SQL, and T-SQL. I'm familiar with HTML and CSS. According to the TIOBE Index, and the PYPL index Python is the leading language. Is this your experience? As I am currently looking for a new Job, is this, in your opinion the most required Job opening requirements? If not, what language would recommend? :confused: BTW I have come across Required languages that I have never heard of before, on Code Project or anywhere else!
First, I think it depends on what you WANT to do since you seem to be wanting to learn a new language. Forget the goofy indexes; most are based on searches rather than applications and if that's the case, asking questions is a more of a poll as to who is learning a language. Working on a desktop app, I can write C#/VB without much googling and don't use public GITs. Working CSS I'll have a lot of questions, mostly because I have my own concept of which attributes should be there :-D . Looking to do web, android or apple apps, back-end, IoT? Then look at the "stacks" being used for those purposes. The problem I see would be without a portfolio of specific experience in a given language, you're going to be outcompeted by those with experience. Python is sometimes promoted as an overall solution, but probably not used as much as one might think.
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I am currently trying to learn a new language. I am proficient in VB.NET, C#, SQL, and T-SQL. I'm familiar with HTML and CSS. According to the TIOBE Index, and the PYPL index Python is the leading language. Is this your experience? As I am currently looking for a new Job, is this, in your opinion the most required Job opening requirements? If not, what language would recommend? :confused: BTW I have come across Required languages that I have never heard of before, on Code Project or anywhere else!
I am a bit late to the party. Are you sure you are asking the right question? I would ask, in what domain do I want to work? Desktop algorithms/GUI ? Serverside? Web-frontend? Or “fullstack”? I hate that buzzword. A colleague got a job (car-sharing) where they use Kotlin (“some-next-gen-java-ish”). It is a less common languge. He did not claim to know it. Got the job anyway. Many companies involved with crypto-currency-trading are using Rust. Firefox got rewritten in Rust “recently”. Voi electro-scooters use Go on their servers. Visual-studio-code , Slack, written in Typescript. Wrapped in the Electron crossplatform container. Runs on “any” OS. So…. Ask yerself in what area you want to work. Research tech used in that area. Cheers
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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When you try to get a job as a Python programmer with my company you will probably be laughed at, sorry :-\
same here. we don't believe the hype. beyond a few scripting examples, I haven't seen much use of it.
