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I have a new feature I want in Teams/Zoom/WebEx

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  • T trønderen

    Technically, it is easy to understand why you can't: You receive a single, mixed sound stream. For you to adjust the volume of each individual speaker, you would have to receive each speaker an individual sound stream, and mix them in your PC. I have been in web meetings with way above a hundred participants, almost all of them passively listening/watching, but they could all unmute themselves. Meetings with 30-50 participants is quite common. These systems are not designed for distributing 30-50, or 100+, sound channels to every participant. It would probably be resource consuming: If 100 participants should receive the sound from the 99 others as individual channels, the central switch would have to manage 9,900 sound channels. An alternative implementation: You receive a single sound channel, but it is adapted to your preferences. You can send commands to the central switch for it to reduce the volume of a single participant in the mix you receive. That would require the central switch to manage 100 mixers of 100 inputs each (for a 100 participant meeting). I guess that would be even more resource demanding on the central switch. So I doubt very much that your request will be honored in the next software update.

    Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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    jschell
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    Interesting analysis. I have been in meetings where the speaker had a very low volume and everyone noticed it. Presumably the same causes might impact it being too loud. Usual attempted solution for them at that point is to disconnect and reconnect. Perhaps then rather than an adjustment on the receivers end add an adjustment on the senders end.

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    • J jschell

      rnbergren wrote:

      I just had a meeting where one person had a very high voice

      I had that same problem but it was at a restaurant with someone sitting at another table. Would the feature work there also?

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      rnbergren
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      that is when you need the reach out and slap someone button. or shhhhssssh

      To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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      • T trønderen

        Technically, it is easy to understand why you can't: You receive a single, mixed sound stream. For you to adjust the volume of each individual speaker, you would have to receive each speaker an individual sound stream, and mix them in your PC. I have been in web meetings with way above a hundred participants, almost all of them passively listening/watching, but they could all unmute themselves. Meetings with 30-50 participants is quite common. These systems are not designed for distributing 30-50, or 100+, sound channels to every participant. It would probably be resource consuming: If 100 participants should receive the sound from the 99 others as individual channels, the central switch would have to manage 9,900 sound channels. An alternative implementation: You receive a single sound channel, but it is adapted to your preferences. You can send commands to the central switch for it to reduce the volume of a single participant in the mix you receive. That would require the central switch to manage 100 mixers of 100 inputs each (for a 100 participant meeting). I guess that would be even more resource demanding on the central switch. So I doubt very much that your request will be honored in the next software update.

        Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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        rnbergren
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        but if they do will they pay me?

        To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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        • C Chris Maunder

          I want to be able to have voices be changed to whatever celebrity voice I choose. Further, I want the speech idioms to be updated to match a character from a movie. My next Zoom call will be full Pulp Fiction.

          cheers Chris Maunder

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          I would use Toy Story. because they are more real than the people I work with. Just kidding mostly

          To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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          • T trønderen

            Technically, it is easy to understand why you can't: You receive a single, mixed sound stream. For you to adjust the volume of each individual speaker, you would have to receive each speaker an individual sound stream, and mix them in your PC. I have been in web meetings with way above a hundred participants, almost all of them passively listening/watching, but they could all unmute themselves. Meetings with 30-50 participants is quite common. These systems are not designed for distributing 30-50, or 100+, sound channels to every participant. It would probably be resource consuming: If 100 participants should receive the sound from the 99 others as individual channels, the central switch would have to manage 9,900 sound channels. An alternative implementation: You receive a single sound channel, but it is adapted to your preferences. You can send commands to the central switch for it to reduce the volume of a single participant in the mix you receive. That would require the central switch to manage 100 mixers of 100 inputs each (for a 100 participant meeting). I guess that would be even more resource demanding on the central switch. So I doubt very much that your request will be honored in the next software update.

            Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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            This is *exactly* what I was thinking of...each participant gets a single sound stream combining all audio from all participants; if each participant was sending his own audio to everybody else separately, that would get very expensive, resource-wise.

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            • M Marc Clifton

              But that assumes mixing at the recipient end. Somewhere in the middle is where the mixing of all audio "senders" occurs. Why not allow unique, by recipient IP say, mixing. That would then only require sending unique audio, already mixed as per each recipient's needs, which really is what's happening anyways but of course currently without the custom mixing by the middle layer.)

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              trønderen
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              That is the option where, for a 100-participant meeting, the central switch must maintain one hundred 100-input mixers. I do not think that is technically viable.

              Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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              • R rnbergren

                I want the ability to change the volume for specific people. not mute them per se. but to change their volume coming thru. I just had a meeting where one person had a very high voice that was quite loud and another person had a low voice that was quite soft. I really wanted to turn ones volume down and ones up.

                To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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                dandy72
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                rnbergren wrote:

                I just had a meeting where one person had a very high voice

                Tell him to lay off the helium.

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                • J jschell

                  rnbergren wrote:

                  I just had a meeting where one person had a very high voice

                  I had that same problem but it was at a restaurant with someone sitting at another table. Would the feature work there also?

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                  Or the other way around: Many years ago, I read a story in Reader's Digest. Inbetween the main stories, they have columns with jokes, brief notes from university life, from family life etc. I usually read RD in Norwegian, and right now I do no not remember the English title of the 'family life' column, where I read a story that I remember something like this: When our family goes out for a meal, we use to make guesses about the professions of the other guests - 'He looks like a carpenter', or 'She must be a hairdresser'. Most places are quite noisy, and we speak softly so noone can hear our guesses. Usually, we come to some agreement, but once we had wildly differing opinions about one guy at the opposite side of the room: I thought he might be a carpet seller, while my son thought he looked like a radio engineer. When the guy rose to leave, he made his way past our table, making a brief stop to tell us: 'What I am really doing is to teach deaf kids lip reading'.

                  Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                  • T trønderen

                    That is the option where, for a 100-participant meeting, the central switch must maintain one hundred 100-input mixers. I do not think that is technically viable.

                    Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    So how / where are all the audio streams mixed together now?

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      I want to be able to have voices be changed to whatever celebrity voice I choose. Further, I want the speech idioms to be updated to match a character from a movie. My next Zoom call will be full Pulp Fiction.

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      Gary R Wheeler
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                      I think you just found the AI killer app killer app for AI. Had to correct that. I kept hearing it in an Austrian accent.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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