Currently rocking a Lumia 620. Very affordable, really good phone. It's fast, runs everything very smoothly, battery duration is very good unless you have 3g + wifi + gps all activated which is to be expected. My only complain is the search button. I handle my phone with one hand, and the base of the thumb sometimes presses the search button (which opens Bing) while reaching for the letters on the far left of the keyboard. Over time I got used to avoid it, but sometimes it still touch it very slightly and Bing shows up. Those are the only times I pressed that button.

The point is that it needs to be there, for the consumers. As I said before, this is their first step in a unified OS. Meaning it will be the same OS in desktops/tablets/mobiles. This will allow to adapt your device to you, no matter what device it is. For example, 2 people use the surface tablet. User nº 1 is a media consumer. He/she will only see the metro UI. On the other hand, user nº2, is a media developer. He can just grab the same exact device, plugin the keyboard, and switch to desktop mode to do whatever they want. On the same exact device and OS. That is exactly the point on having both modes on the same OS. One OS, one device, and you can use it however you want it, either to consume or to create. Yes, desktops are moving more and more to a niche market of content creation. But even on the surface tablet, having the desktop mode for quick work, is a god send.

True, but remember that Windows 8 is their first step in a unified OS. Meaning, the same OS in a tablet, desktop or mobile, will need to have the Metro UI for consumers, but will still have desktop for developers. Because even in tablets, like the surface, the consumers will mainly see Metro UI. But since the OS will be the same everywhere, there still needs be the desktop, so that the creators can just plug in a keyboard and do their thing.

Ed Korsberg wrote:

I don't anyone is fooled to think Metro is the only interactive mode.

You would be surprised. I've had no problems with Windows 8 desktop mode. The way the metro app tries to be the default to open music and picture and video files is annoying, but only for 5 seconds until I change it. Using several monitors also, and I don't see metro anywhere. The only time I see any metro is while pressing the windows key to search for apps, but I only use the keyboard there anyway so it doesn't really matter, and when powering down the pc, and that took some searching. I honestly can't see any usage I've been doin' that suggests this:

Ed Korsberg wrote:

The metro view keeps wanting to rear its ugly head.

Because i never really see it.

As a media creator, you wouldn't use the Metro UI. Readmy post above. Using windows 8 since it came out, and I rarely touch metro, as I'm always in desktop mode. Besides being faster (sometimes by quite a bit) i find no difference using it in desktop mode. The Metro UI is only used to consume media, and never to develop content. Hence why Windows 8 comes with a desktop mode, for us to develop that content. Thinking you are stuck with only metro is just stupid.

I figure people will adapt. Firstly most of the "users" consume media. And that is what the Metro UI is good at. For the more experienced users that create media, the desktop still is and will continue to be available, but only for said "creators". I've been using Windows 8 since it came out, and can't remember the last time I used the metro UI for anything, except for pressing the windows key, typing the app i want to open and press enter. Which is the same exact method I use in Win7 so no changes there. Granted, having to mose the mouse to the corner of the screen is sometimes tedious, specially with a big screen, but it's something i can live with, as I really don't do it that often. I remember the days of the ribbon in the office suite. The IT masses went postal over it. But for the regular consumer, it made sense and made it easier for them to use the basic functions, so they stuck with it. And the "creators" and "supporters" ended up having to adapt.

And that is good? In mvc, a submit button will create a HTTP Post, with the same name as the view you are currently in. Imagine it breaks in the Entities page. That submit button will always (there may exceptions) launch the entities function that is marked with HTTP Post. So i can go directly there because I know that there is where the problem lies. Instead I have to go to a visual designer that depending on the complexity of the page can take a while, and go through a bunch of hidden div's for messages and other controls just to find a button to double click it because you don't know where the damn function is? I'de rather know where stuff is instead of going "fishing".

I would say if you are using any kind of visual designer to build web pages, you are doin' it wrong. Even the best tools suck at it, and it would never be scalable to different sizes.

Why? I look at the browser as a portal. Nothing but a window to interact with something else. The good, is no matter what "window" (browser) and what "house" (OS/equipment) you have, you will interact with the same thing. The bad. The "window" builder sometimes mess up and the view you get from it get's distorted and sometimes unuseable.

Well, to be fair, Windows came in the mobile market wayyyyy too late. Windows 8 is trying to fix it, and I have to say, on the mobile phone side, it works brilliantly. The confusion because of Metro (that a LOT of people seem to think is the only UI available even on a desktop) is what is holding MS down right now. I remember when they changed the office suite to use the ribbon. Oh snap, IT everywhere wanted to burn down microsoft. But after a while they went with it. Yes windows 8 is flawed, the lack of a start menu is weird for a lot of people, but it changed nothing about the way I use windows. I always am at desktop mode, and never use metro. the only time I use the metro is when I press windows key and search for an application by name and press enter to open it. The SAME EXACT WAY I did with the start menu. I never used a BlackBerry, but heard good things about them. Scurity wise... Security on the phone side, starts and ends with the user. Even the other day I watched a video about the public charging stations ijecting malware into the phone while you think it's only getting some extra juice for the day.

Crying when people don't agree with you won't win you any points.

Yes I do. Which is why I say that you should not rely on those. When you don't have a code beautifier on hand, and not even able to get one, what are you gonna do?

Well, it depends really. Tools like never really work in every case. It really depends on case to case. Sometimes it's nice to have it separated, makes it more readable. Sometimes you have some inline stuff, thaat if you separated in the same way would just confuse you.

Why would you even wanto to beautify legacy code? It's legacy code. Leave it be, or rewrite it. I don't beautify code. Code does not have to be beautifull. It has to work, and has to be readable. Make up and earrings will not make your code better. It will just distract you, and fool you into thinking it's perfect, untill it opens "it's" mouth and all that comes out is crap. Focus on better code, make it readable, add comments when needed. And structure it in the way you think it makes it easier to read and follow the logic behind it, but do it yourself and don't rely on tools. Who knows, maybe you'll catch a bug or two, or even identify flaws in the logic side.

Not really. Linux is good for power users, and the ocasional enthusiast. Company wise, it's still all windows. There's really no way to escape it. I think untill linux gets a decent bite on the company/industry cake, it can never never a decent foothold on the consumer side. I have an android tablet, and tried an android phone. It's all fun and games to mess around with, but I pretty much put the tablet down and barely touched it in a while. It's fun to play around with, but on the other hand, i just love my windows phone. Not that it's better or worse. I do sometimes wish that I could change a couple more settings than it lets me, but as a phone, i like it way more than android, because "it just works". And that's really the bottom line, useability. The normal user has no time to mess around with the phone, and figure out what is the best to do something on it. If i want to do something on my windows phone, I just do it, and it's done and I don't have to worry about it. (Android sometimes thinks on it's own and does something different that I intended, I think skynet is becoming self aware.) Oh and the seamless sync and interaction with my windows 8 on the pc. Awsome. I had to do 0 work for it to function perfectly, even with several accounts. And on the company side, that's what's important. It's now how perfect it is, it's how good it works with minimal effort.

dat nº 3.. And they wonder why nothing ever works right. And that nº4 is even worse. So pretty much you spend all day scracthing you head until the little bulb in your head lights up, and when you're in a coding spree because everything suddenly made sense... Sorry, you have to go now. No more worky work for you. Wow

I was talking in a general sense. not developer wise. To answer your question, no, I don't think I have. But on a project like this is not good enough for it to be working in 1 year. It needs to work now, or atthe very least in a few weeks.

Just because someone does something for a living, does not mean they are good at it.

Do you mean US sending robots everywhere to obliterate insurgents who barely have a clean bathroom to take a dump in?

True, but you really can't escape some services. Because just for the OS, you have no choice but to go Microsoft, if you want to use the business standard applications. What you can, and some companies do, is take control of some of those services for themselves (using their own email servers and such), or use another similar service from another company. And even if the UK and US assorted agencies really want to spy on communications, like phone lines or even cellphone communications, you really don't have a choice or workaround, no matter how much you don't trust them.