why do I think of traffic-jams when I hear "Fahrvergnügen" (... on top: in a VW spot ... ROFL)

No the basic functional paradigm is easier to understand then imperative and mutable style - in US colleges FP is taught first (and I think it's a great idea) - have a look at (SICP[^] if you really want to understand what all the fuss is about. Surley: there are "ebony tower things" (lot's of Haskell magic comes to mind) but this is not the core of what makes FP. I would give it a chance and for an C#/.net guy there is no better place to start then F# - you can even use your *old* OOP/imperative style till you know better :D - and BTW: LINQ *IS* FP - don't tell me thet LINQ is only for humans with anormal brains and that you have difficulties to think in LINQ :D

EUROmetal? :wtf: Well wow - how generic is this? Yes you could put Blind Guardian and Nightwish in kinda the same box (though you should call it something like epic/melodic/opera-metall but there is a lot more going on in europe (just look at the nordics) to just label it EURO ... There is the hole range of metal - from black/death to progressive and aside from a few exceptions every major metal band seems to come from some EU country nowadays ... :rolleyes: btw: nightwish is not what it used to be ... just popish rock ... go listen to some Amorphis, Draconian or even Epica :-D

I opted to install it into a VirtualBox and it works like a charm. Clipboard and Foldersharing - no problem

I guess some might to hear my experience as well. I recently bought a new laptop to use on talks and on travel and I installed Win7 Home Edition, Office 2010 and VS2010 on it. After VS2012 RTM got released to MSDN I installed it on this machine as well. Then last friday I thought a good idea to upgrade this to Win8 - after all not much to lose - right? Well install was rather fast (got a SSD in there) and the system seemed to boot right - BTW a strange thing is that you can only upgrade your installed apps if you upgrade to the same language (wanted to switch language there - but then you can only take your files and settings and not your programs with you). As was mentioned: the anti-virus had to go ... well feels kinda unsafe ... Ok - played around a bit and the first think that crased was the Mail-App - yeah I could add my Hotmail/Windows Live ID account but the apps just showed a blank screen (and still does). Well who needs Email right? After all there should be Outlook hanging around - but I did not come this far. Next thing I wanted to try (because this is my main thing) is to run VS2012 ... but well this crashed on startup ... WTF? Ok I thought - maybe it's a bad idea to upgrade this from Win7 so let's run the setup on VS2012 again and choose repair - but behold: setup crashed as well (as did *EVERY* normal application) ... so do the windows-solves-it-all-thing (aka restart) ... so I ended frying the hole installation by simply rebooting ... yes that's right I see the ugly metro-window-picture but then the screen blanks and the system hangs... So insert the Win8 disk again and try the various *repair* routes (there are a lot - seems trouble is expected) and yeah in the end one worked ... the one that uninstalls all your old apps and brings you to basically to a first-install OS (well there is a page with all your old applications so you can see what you have to reinstall again - thank you very much). And BTW: Mail is still not showing a damn thing. End of the story: I shut the laptop down and put it somewhere I did not have to see it all weekend. In the next days I will format the HDDs and make a new clean Win7 install (or maybe a Ubuntu / Win7 dual installation) and that will be all I will ever see of Win8 if I have any say in it (ok maybe I might buy a surface just to see if this systems can show any email - 199$ right?).

Well it's rather simple - I use both (as I doing some WindowsCE development and you get no VS2010 love for it). But overall I love working in VS2010 - it just feels better and with all the goodies (NuGet, Productivity Power Tools, ...) and of course TFS (used to be MSDN pro/VS pro subscriber - now switched to premium) it a no brainer what version to use on a day to day basis. I've got no issues at all (but I have a "decent" machine - 4cores@2.5GHz, 12GB RAM that helps "a lot"). I get some slowdown from time to time - but I'm rather sure that this is Rsharper-related because I've got the same issues on VS2008. Only thing that really killed the fun so far was a bug with the Async-CTP that killed the data-visualization during debuging (only in C#) and that could only be solved by installing the SP1-beta. So my recommendation would be: MSDN! - so you get BOTH and can choose at will.

I really like this ... but we will have to wait some time. What I really like to see is the announcement for type-classes :cool:

let me guess ... you didn't get the job ;P (if it happened not to be a job-interview my point is still valid - in a way :-O )

Hi, for me it's the first realease I'm really looking forward to (and I allready use the RC for some productive projects) - for the last releases there was the big improvements in the .net framework and ecosystem (generics, lambdas, linq, WCF, WPF, ...) but this time I really like: - TFS2010 - for a very small team (well it's more or less just me plus 1-2 other guys that joins on some ocassions) it's just great to get a tool you can just "fire and forget" (the installation) - F# ... finally - after long years waiting it's a full member ... that alone is worth the update - there are a lot of improvements for Silverlight and MVC2 (I don't really like Webforms...) the reactive extensions and the task parallel lib. are very good (FP for the win ;) ) - after some doubts during Beta2 I really like the editor and even the speed of the IDE - the new 5.0beta Release of ReSharper even seems to run quicker then with VS2008 (yes for me it's a essential plugin - if only I could have F# support :( ) - the only thing I don't care at all is "dynamics" - I just can't seem to find the time and interest to look into it After all there is no expense for me (ok I have to deinstall/install some parts - so I have to invest some time) - but even without MSDN sub. I would run to the store the first day it's out :thumbsup:

Are you kidding us? I guess it's rather pointless to tell you in a few lines what F# is - just use your favorite search-engine ;) I allready use F# in some productive settings and the async-workflow feature alone is worth the effort to learn it :laugh: It's no gamechanger if you are mainly in UI-programming (and here only because there are no desingers - but those *new* event-processing featrues RX gives us was avaiable in F# for a long time) but for more complex settings, parallel and async programming, quick algorithm design and testing its in my opinion THE language in the .net env.

Of course there is allways another way - take the Guru road and let the woman come to you ;)

Just look for FP (or functional programming) themes/books/articles/hypes/whatever ... and you will see that those are THE BEST feature we got in the last couple of years - I combination with closure caps and generics you can finally say that FP made it mainstream (and with F#, Clojure, etc. you can see that many people are very happy about this). I'm using anon. methods almost everywhere (who said "if you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail!"?) I hide variables in closures, I use those for "lazy"-support etc. pp Greetings, Carsten

Both are a good read (and every book by N.S. BTW). Anathem was a great but sadly N.S. almost evertime tend to mess up the end - it just feels wrong. But I guess you know what I'm saying - after all Neverwhere's end is somewhat unsadisfactory too (well the poor fellow is neither the hero nor get's the girl - w.t.f.? ;P )

So I read most posts in this thread - and to be ernest it's nothing more than "say no to change". What you are missing: WPF, LINQ, WCF, WinForms, WebForms, ASP.NET MVC - those are all just plain tools. Maybe you like them maybe not - MS is not forcing you into using it (this is the job of your customer or company ;) ) Of course not everything is good (WF certainly wasn't) but I love to learn new things (so my job never bores me) and I ever thought most computer guys are just this way (embracing new things - often to quick) - but maybe this changes with age ;P For my part WPF offers some great things - for example the databinding is great - and for me the lack of a good in build editor was never a problem (the guy starting this thread should know this - in the begining days of MFC you had to design your GUI in an external programm too). And I just can't understand how you can not like .NET 3.0/3.5 as a progammer (ok a C# programmer that is) - now we have almost FP like support for functions as data like closures, type inf. etc. LINQ is much more than Linq2Sql - it came along with all the great FP functionality, extension methods and expression parsing (yes I have real world projects using this). F# is on the horizon, ASP.NET MVC just looks like the long looked for solution for ASP.NET programmers doing bigger apps, WCF is really nice and I really get the feeling that MS listens to the community. Really guys what have you been doing? IT is a field where change is the rule - we all knew this as we got us in this mess.

Well it's the reference - but to actually read it from cover to cover is a pain - but it's very usefull to look up some protocolls. The math in there isn't that great (of course if you really want to unterstand the math you migth wish to get some book that concentrates more on this).

oh really? Never read any "Santa" story in english - in german they are actually called "Donner" and "Blitz" just as the weather phenomenon also see here: Myth funny to see that this side got the "Blitzen" VS. "Blitz" wrong to ... even funnier I mistook "lightning" with "flash"

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the sentence is not bad - but I guess they meant to write "DONNER UND BLITZ" - "thunder and flash" as "blitzen" is the verb for "Blitz"-flash "sortieren" is "to sort" "the exit" is "Ausgang" "to exit" is "verlassen" ( = to leave) and: no offense taken

Hey ... your welcome to make some "krauts jokes" ... but please use google or something to get the spelling right. The only correct word there is "ACHTUNG" (bye the way: we germans don't YELL ALL THE TIME) I guess with "BRITISHER PIGDOG" you are refering to the common british crossing between a pig and a dog? - that's "Schweinehund" in German (but it's a rather weak insult). And "SORT" would be somthing like "sortiere!".

1.) Create a Bitmap with the dimension of your output-control. 2.) Create a Graphics-object for this bitmap 3.) Use the Graphics-object, the font of your control and the text of this control to render the text to the Graphics-object via it's DrawString method. 4.) Use the .Save Method of the Bitmap to save it to the desired image file

My guess is that your own process still has the file handle opened. So make sure that you close the File(Stream?). Best practice is to surround the FileStream with an using(...){} - so you make sure that Dispose is called and the handle is freed. If you forget this you will have to wait till the GC kicks in and frees the object for you (or till you close the process)