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There was a very funny episode of Coupling with a similar theme. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

I agree both are excellent resources and despite my praise for both of these resources I am having difficulty convincing my coworkers of adopting standards above and beyond those imposed by the languages themselves. For instance, standardizing on a basic indentions structure, whether or not to use hungarian notation, and avoiding where appropriate indentifing the implementation in the method name (GetNextUser() as opposed to GetNextArrayElement() ). The common response is these are "best practices" not standards and it should be up to the individual developer to follow a style that is useful to them thus increasing their individual productivity... Please don't misinterpret this last statment. I know that standards should be guidelines but I am not certain that everyone sees the value of following these guidelines most of the time is beneficial. Thanks, Daniel

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: don't mix additive and cumulative series if you ever have to "unroll" the series. Amen to that! Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl - you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...

Hi Daniel, I used to (in a previous job) have to hire network technicians quite regularly. I *always* made a point of asking for their certification number and calling to check up on it. But the main point is that I really didn't care if they had it or not because 9 times out of 10 the paper certification was so meaningless it might as well be toilet paper. Either a person can do the job or they can't. Anyone can get a certification if they are good at memorization and writing tests but few of them will be good at the actual work without some experience under their belts. I was more interested in what they have done. If it was an entry level position, I basically expected nothing but interest and good basic skills as a human being at being able to communicate, likeable etc. For any qualified positions we *always* had tests for them to do. Bottom line is if a place is hiring based solely on your paper qualifications and not on what you can actually *do* or can show to have done, it's very likely a place you will not want to work at for any extended period of time. |----------------------2--0-------------------------0-----------------| |--------0--2-----3----------3--2--0--------0--0b2-----2--3--2--0-----| |--3--3--------3----------------------3--3-------------------------3--| I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!

Two weeks for the site and a year for the partridge in a pear tree :) Seriously, the biggest problem I see is that the "types" are not consistant and that he wants to generate / edit / delete fields dynamically. That is not going to work well within the nature of an ordinary db such as SQL server unless you run the "types" as a vertical record where each field is a record. In that type of envionment, you can specify additional values for each field such as access group level for the field, last time modified, by who, data field was created, etc. If this is your plan, this type of structure does usually require considerable more time to work with than horizontal records. There are a few points I am not sure I understand such as "integrated into his solely html based website", but for the parts I do understand it would be something like: Resource Description Hours 20-40 DB design, data layer (C#) business objects and test (would include limited fixed searching abilities) 8-16 Add, edit, delete Types, includes editing permissions on each field 16-32 User permissions and account adimination module (includes add/edit/delete user permission roles/groups - Internal and External users/clients) 8-16 Integration with HTML site and provide basic account registration and comformation. 4- 8 Notification automation for posting of new matching types (assign them to categories so that he can notify them of new listings - includes automated emailing of notifications and a review page ) XX-XX 3 different report views, 9 summary pages 1YR partridge in a pear tree So that is 56-112 single resource hours not including the last two items. Not enough information to begin accounting for those items. This is raw hours. I personally double my calculations to take in account of cross browser problems, unknown bugs in platform and client approvals. If it were me, i would say 4-6 weeks for one developer. Rocky <>< www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com