well, they just changed the wording so that now everyone can read what I told here already some weeks ago ... Jochen

diriproject wrote:

When it's sold in Germany this license is invalid for not being in German language.

nonsense. First we esspecially ordered it in engish language. Second there have been high court decisions that a buyer does not meed to get any desription of a product in german language as lonmg as there is any discription.

diriproject wrote:

License included in closed box is void.

no.

diriproject wrote:

OTOH you can be one of ten persons being interested in such a product. Each person opens a box in the shop before spending money. What happens than?

the shop returns the boxes to the distributor and gets its refund. The distributor retuirns the boxes to Microsoft and gets his refund.

diriproject wrote:

Opening a box forces you to buy it.

does not apply to software (at least from Microsoft). "You must accept the enclosed License Agreement before you can use this product. If you do not accept the terms of the License Agreement, you should promptly return the product for a refund. A copy of the product License Agreement ia available for review at www.microsoft.com/office/eula. ..." Outside of box for Visio standard. Maybe you should first lok at the boxes before you buy them.

diriproject wrote:

No need for because they neither pay my internet access nor my time.

They also do not pay you for the time that you need to get to the shop or the cost of driving there.

diriproject wrote:

According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays.

sure. Go to the web and download a copy.

diriproject wrote:

do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building.

no. The box says that you are bound to the agreement that comes with the box. If you don't like the agreement you can return the box and get a refund.

diriproject wrote:

You aren't the spokesperson of MS in Munic?

no. And they have several of them and their names do not sound like my name.

Software is not a car, it's a license. Thats a different story.

diriproject wrote:

Do they send me fixes for free than?

yes. From time to time Microsoft collects all available fixes on a CD and distributes it for free. You can find then glued to comp mags everwhere or the give it away on tradeshows. Jochen

diriproject wrote:

when you move XP or higher this way you have to re-activate your product normally.

where is the problem with that? Jochen

Rocky Moore wrote:

If the original part had already transfered to a new machine once, then it appears they could not transfer it to a third part as they third party would have to agree with the licensing and the terms of the license would already be expired for transfers.

no. And it has always been like this that the receiver of a license must agree to the terms before he can use the license.

Rocky Moore wrote:

At this point I would not be able to transfer Vista to a third person as the amount of reassignments have been exausted

no. There is no "amount of reassigments".

Rocky Moore wrote:

You can only move it to one other machine after it is installed.

You can move it to one machine and then you can move it from that machine to yet another one. And so on. You only have to make sure that on any point in time there is only one computer where the license is installed. Jochen

Rocky Moore wrote:

You might want to take that action yourself!

here it is: "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the “licensed device.” [...] The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the software, and this agreement, directly to a third party. The first user must uninstall the software before transferring it separately from the device. The first user may not retain any copies."

Anand Vivek Srivastava wrote:

a restore from ghost image is a similar situation, if some hardware has changed since I created the image, will my machine be considered a new device?

no. It's an upgrade and maybe you need reactivation. You'll have the 30 day graceperiod, just like with XP. "Some changes to your computer components or the software may require you to reactivate the software. The software will remind you to activate it until you do."

Anand Vivek Srivastava wrote:

BTW, whateven be the definition of a device, it is clearly stated that you cannot move Vista more than once.

sure. As I said. You can move it only once to a new device because after that gzere is nothing left that you can move. You then can move it *once* to a third device and so on. Just READ. "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the “licensed device.” [...] The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the software, and this agreement, directly to a third party. The first user must uninstall the software before transferring it separately from the device. The first user may not retain any copies." This "one time" does not relate to the total number of moves, it relates to the number of moves allowed to move from one spefific device. Jochen

Rocky Moore wrote:

"retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever!

sure. And it has always been like that. When you transfer the license to a new machine it it no longer on the old machine. And from that new machine you can tzransfer it to another (third) machine. An so on. This has nothing to do with the need for "reactivation" when you upgrade your machine. I would suggest that you *read* the licensing terms before you tell such nonsense. Jochen

Well, Oregon may know about cancer but defentiely knows nothing about real beer! http://www.wissenschaft.de/wissen/hintergrund/245777.html (in german) In Bavaria you can get beer that holds 10 to 30 times the amount of Xanthohumol than the beer was was used in Oregon to calculate the dosis of 17 beer a day. So do the math ... Jochen