"Telkom" - They are not much different from BT here, thier UK counterpart. They had a two year monopoly on the ADSL technology within the UK, and they buggered up every aspect of the service until recently when third parties were allowed to supply ADSL without having to keep to BT's Terms and Conditions. Ah well, these companies never learn. They could all take a few lessons from Sweden where almost every suburbian household has broadband or fibre-optic running past thier front door. Know a guy there who has a 10 meg fibre connection into his flat, thats just nuts ;) Ah well lets hope things improve for everyone concerned after bush and blair have finished throwing thier weight around... Cheers Paul, I'll contact you should I find myself at a loose end and wanting to move to SA sooner than later. I never know with this company I am at, each quarter brings the fear of redundancy along with the performance figures from the accounts department...;) BTW, Mark ShuttleWorth an OD of BlueGrass ? If so, small world it seems...