i'll concede that point... :-D Nik Vogiatzis PhD Candidate: University of South Australia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Developing new generation Traffic Micro-simulation Tools for Traffic Engineers em: nikolaos.vogiatzis@unisa.edu.au

try looking in the "C++ / MFC" section of CodeProject, under "Parsers". -c Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

Well, it wasn't "hard" like a game like Zelda. It was a bit of work to determine the pattern. Especially since I kept getting into spots where there was no move to be made. It caught my attention because I used to write text mode games on my TI-82 (good old days). So when can we expect the Direct3D version? ;P Chris Richardson C/C++ Include Finder[^]

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Well I do remember a bit of 8080 assembler if that helps...but I don't use AOL so you're out of luck on that front. ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++

In my mind, one benefit of having a degree is that it shows an employer that you have a certain amount of discipline. You've worked for four years toward a goal and didn't quit because you got bored with it or came across something more interesting. If I were looking to hire someone, I would want to see some indication that the individual has some ability to work through times when the work is not fully stimulating. (Is there anyone out there that always finds their work fully stimulating?) I would hope that a college education also offers some breadth to your experiences. I would prefer to work with someone whose life goes beyond C++ and games development. (Though it seems college degrees are becoming more and more specialized.) Neal Stublen http://www.awesoftware.com

I didn't want to discourage you, in my response to your other messages I was simply explaining my experiences in this field. It is definetly possible to get a job without a degree, I did. My first programming job only paid 10 dollars an hour, but as I gained a background to my career my salary quickly increased. Also if you can prove your self to an employer once you get your foot in the door, anything can happen. There are a lot of good people out there that recognize talent and like to hold onto it, however there are a lot of idiots that dont know what talent is, so watchout for them. Also its great how well that you did in your college course, I would suggest that you keep taking them if you can. There is a lot more to learn than just the languages. Write the next big shareware app yourself from home. The kid who wrote Winamp was only 19 and was able to sell it to AOL for a massive profit. :) Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!

There are a lot of articles about COM/ATL here on codeproject... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

It depends on the kind of experience. Somebody who knows STL inside out and every nuance of the C++ Standard might be good but if he doesn't have experience of building MFC GUI apps talking to a database then his experience doesn't have much commercial value to my company. Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.

i think that wenn your able to programm win32 the step to mfc is no problem, because win32 is closer to the api. its like programming basic when your already able to programm c++.