You know, I didn't realize that the nature of this board was mainly questions and answers - So I guess I made an inappropriate entry - My last word is this however - I think that what VC++ today is really a dialect of C++ ( i believe ).... And I think that's an important point of view - since there is such a huge amount of C++ floating around .... And I guess from my point of view it's kind of sad that the language has become this fragmented. Sorry ...........