The man is a moron, that's my view. He has made a not insignificant contribution to the site in terms of articles, but it hardly gives him the right to act like this. If he feels so bad about something that I regard as meaningless ( you don't even need to provide a working email to join, so what is his problem ? ), he should just go elsewhere. Pure and simple. That's what a man would do, instead he is acting like a whiny little girl. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002