Sorry yes a mistake in my writing. 3.0 isn't a whole framework it is just merely an add on to 2.0. However my point here wasn't that, my point was that there seems to be a tight association between the frameworks and the IDE where people refer to them interchangeably. Which is wrong there is no 2003 framework there is a 1.1, but there is a 2003 IDE. Get where I am going? So alot of folk complain about the '2003 framework', but what they really mean is that their IDE is bust. :)

Mitchell Geere

I think that MS did an awesome job on the .net languages and the framework. I am yet to see another language compare to C# and a framework compare to .NET I have used the open source cousin (mono) and wasnt to impressed, and I have used Java and still not impressed. Where MS do kinda drop the balls is with the IDE and that is where most of you get confused, you tightly associate the IDE with the framework at that time. Yes they have been released at the same time (except for v3.0 of the framework). Managed programming has for years now made it very easy for newbies to create disgusting code (Java is included here) so I really think it is an education thing. Programmers need to still under go the same trainning (whether that is personal or formal) that one use to back in the day before managed code. So they can learn about the repocutions of bad code. Have them understand memory and processing and io, and sorting algorithms etc. So that they dont just associate the idea of writing a file with system.io etc. but actually understand what the underlaying is doing. On linq I have been playing with this for a long time now. I think it is awesome, it is as said really just a mask of what is going on in the background. However from a coding efficiency it is great. Not sure how many of you have played with Rail systems like Ruby, or MVC frameworks like codeigniter etc. If you have you will appreciate Linq being here. All I have a gripe with is the IDE and would like to see something more solid in the future, I have been working with BETA 2 of Orcas for a while now as well and there still some bugs but I am hoping that gets sorted by the end of the year. ;)

Mitchell Geere

Hmm, I have worked for big and small companies. Small +/- 3 employees and big +2000 employees both like has been mentioned before has its ups and downs... but I am more for small companies. You get to take true ownership of what you are doing and because resources are so scarce you get to do it all from dba to designing and etc. client liason and all other points mentioned. At a corporate you get to learn about structure, doing what you are told and there is never grey always black and white based on pilicy and politics. Then do what you love if telecoms is your passion rather find a small telco company in the big company you will do such a small subset of telco (because you will be held in the micro view) because the architect has the big picture view and will just delegate the parts off... at the small company you will get to be next to the architect and communicate your thoughts to him or you will even be a group of developers acting as an architect with this you will be able to get to do what you love... same applies for the Vision computing thing. Mitchell Geere

You can get all the information on the above subject from www.google.com :) but, on a serious note why not cover a topic which in my opinion is far less done and that is on software project management, testing and getting the product to market within a given time and at a specific qaulity. This is something the software market has huge issues with and could use some brilliant thoughts on the topics to push for better qaulity in shorter periods. Just a thought :) Mitchell Geere -- modified at 19:36 Sunday 2nd April, 2006

Does it show border while in the IDE or when running the application? If it is while in the IDE then dont worry about that the IDE draws that. If you are running the application then I would like to know the Panel you are inheriting from is it part of the Windows.Forms library or you own? As far as I know Panels do not ever have a dotted border unless you put it there. Mitchell Geere