Do you really think that? Why it is, that these cool people always telling that something isn't right even if it was made that way, felt right, lived right, died right. My Opinion: I am not happy about the emerging youngs, though i'm just 29 years old and should be happy also. Just because i see too much of those wannabe-informatics, -designers and -professionals everyday talkin' bull%&%t. They're mostly not able to imagine what a micro-processor is or what it does. They learn Java in a way the tutorials told when it was born. They read what is necessary, not what could bring 'em on a bit, even if it's the same the read the seven books before. They do it just to make a job... That's okay, but i beg on anyone who just wants to make a job: SHUT UP!

Well, i really don't know if any of this might have had helped you if you're through with practicing it, but maybe? Just try it, take your time. If you got special questions you're free to send me an e-Mail. Please be specific and precisely as you're able if you're asking for help. You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

It was a long time ago, that i've had that emotion of 'being into it' or that nice shimmering enlightment of 'that's how that piece works and now i know how to play god on it, muahahahaha'. To be true, nowadays i have similir contests running in my mind while moving in 'JavaScript'-elevators through the levels of the famous 'Html'-Building, sometimes meeting 'CSS'-Agents. And at the end of the day leaning back into my sharp Cabriolet cruising through the '.Net'. It is always a puzzle. And there must be a clue. But since i was that 'James Bond'-type of coder in the old days i am just a wreck of remembrance playing 'programming - a novel written by a heck of idiots'-detective. I'm not a bit literally like real relicts of these days. But i know what it does mean to a young one to built something on an level of abstraction that could be easily compared to the magic of riding through wormholes while cooking coffee. I was always cooked up and in heat like a b*#$& when i finished my self setted target of maneuvering data-packets through the '8-bit'-hood remote controlled by a pack of flags and some fine-furnished raster-interrupts. Just to visualize 256 colors of possible 16 in a resolution four times higher than the hardware was officially able to produce. It was about breaking bounds. The system was me ~ I was the system. Just one in a big bunch of those kind. But, i was...

Well, i really don't know if any of this might have had helped you if you're through with practicing it, but maybe? Just try it, take your time. If you got special questions you're free to send me an e-Mail. Please be specific and precisely as you're able if you're asking for help. You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

You really woke my interest for the 'code coverage'-thang. You got some good (res)sources to become informed about the procedere/schemes used in cc-analysis? I want to read some more about that. To point it out: No, i think you don't got me wrong and i know that it sounds self-confident in the way i told my thoughts 'bout that thematic. You might understand if you think of it as my specialty, meaning the way of handling systems. I don't know why, but like others who are able to describe pictures precisely which they've seen once for some seconds (and that years before...), i'm able to memorize how dataflow behaves and to predict how it should by source but in reality will, because of the surrounding setup. I think it is because i started with, e.g. assembler on 6510 when i was nine to ten years old and stepped on to fortran, cobol, etc. and 68k assembler just a year later. Or another example; due to interest i was able to speak english (in simple sentences) before i got into school, just by hearing music and listen to the talks of my aunt and their irish and english friends. (I'm native german, sorry.. forgot to tell about that) Well, however that's really nothing special. Just interest & training. I thought it possibly might let you follow my mind with that background-information. That's why i'm telling you. So back to my request, if you have some links or literature to get deeper into it, please send some more info. Or (it sounds like) if you have gathered information in your own projects about the efficiency the analysis brought to your codework, please tell some' details. I think it is most interesting to hear/read special reports from insiders. ... Wow, seems you really really woke my interest for that, because of the confusing stack of words i call sentences. The bunch of letters i produced in here gives no sense it seems. payah, what da heck, nevertheless, would be nice to read from you... You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

Okay, that's the roundabout. Before i ask you some mo' to see how i can help you, forget about wacg2, these conditions are not able to meet, because there is no browser outside that can render it. By the way wacg2 is a turn-back in my opinion, because it gives a f**k on modularizing site content and consistent stylesheet usage. So at minimum use a xhtml 1.0 doctype transitional for your pages, so that you can approve that your structure valides. Even better would be the xhtml 1.1 doctype, if you have no necessarity for frames. Don't forget to call the namespace and set the lang for those browsers that don't render xml. e.g.: So if you wanna still produce for IE 6 downwards and browsers like netscape 4 then just take that header i inserted here and forget about the ''-line you probably have seen on W3-Page or inserted by Wysiwyg-Editors, because they make the formerly named browsers running in a quirks-mode, means they try to render with proprietary xml-sets if contained and else treat the whole thing as html 3 to 3.2 instead of the version you set up in doctype. I think that should be almost the first thing you ever hadda check in every file. Then the typical discussion about alt-statements in img-tags and the use of the title-attribute. To see what content should be delivered in the alt-attribute you should look up your page twice with opera set to text- or classic-mode, once as author, once as editor. For real boy, it's better to gimme a hint how deep ya knowledge of all that is, because it is much effort you have to bring in to make a compatible site. Just precise what you have and what you want and then we'll see what might be made in the next step. What kind of editors you use? what is the target-system and thing like that? Well, i really don't know if any of this might have had helped you if you're through with practicing it, but maybe? Just try it, take your time. If you got special questions you're free to send me an e-Mail. Please be specific and precisely as you're able if you're asking for help. You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

For real, i understand what you had in mind, but on my side it's another task, because i don't code complete applications. Most of the time i'll just help out with modularized components developed under the aspect of following truly the given guideline and therefor restrictions; so i never had the problem to make the impossible possible and code up a fully featured app running independent. The code clips i've produced since yet, have been almost small (about 300 to 500 wraps) the biggest one was building a pure scripted 3D-Tetris-Variant (About 4800 wraps). That was the first project where i ever used try-catch-blocks and similar functions, so you see, i'm no pro. Just spending my time with that to get deeper into it. I also have absolutely no plan, what kind of tools are out their for scripting purposes, because i do coding by writing on paper, imagining it overall, then script it module per module, class by class and in the end when i got every necessary particle, i put it together. That's why i never have had problems with debugging until now. I'll do the main testing while i make changes and in the end completely roll-up the whole set manually under certain conditions. So again, it's not professional, but i can learn how it comes to the failures the code produces. And i think you're winning with it, because the library i got now after 2 to 3 years of massive scripting is mostly reusable, what gives me benefit in time and less stress for working on new projects. Well, it's all in the head (though clean and precisely documented), but i am the coder who has to use these scripts, so they are my tools and spare parts. Sorry, if i disturbed your peace with these statements, but i wonder how others, like you, who are interested in doing things the processing professional way, think about it. If you might wanna answer, feel free, it would be nice to read your opinion. You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

Thanks for the advice during the wikipedia link. Okay, now i know. But to be true i would've never ever thought that there are people in this world that check how complete (or better: at which rate) a code-complex was testet. You need those results for planning projects and to see how efficioent your coder's section is by presenting your continuous struggle to financier's, huh? (...action ...reaction; uuuaaaargh!) Whatever, i think my first reply might have amused you under that conditions, hehe But isn't it possible to use the watcher/debugger/slayer functions given in ecclipse, flash 8, .Net St. 2005 or even in Office's Java Script Debugger? I mean, where's the problem to filter out the JIT-Message-Handles? As far as i know you have full capability to revise any single phrase of a conduct in runtime or even run marked parts in statistic mode, so it catches what you want. But probably i'm once again too far away from that piece of reality you've asked for. Won't make any more suggestions, sorry, i think it's better to shut up sometimes.... 8)

Well, i really don't know if any of this might have had helped you if you're through with practicing it, but maybe? Just try it, take your time. If you got special questions you're free to send me an e-Mail. Please be specific and precisely as you're able if you're asking for help. You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

What should be the final view/look of that piece of structure? Means: In which way you want to use it? Which browser(s) and version(s) do you use (exactly) to look the results up? Do you have the page online? Is there a reason that binds you to realize the structure with nested-tables?

Truly the talks are interesting... I think. To be really really very true: i don't read them... 8) What about the titles of the posts? Don't know how they look in other browsers, but in IE 7 the multi-line headings are overlayed, so a wrong line-height possibly given in your stylesheet? I felt the 'design' of your site is too clean. It would be nice if it is more flashy, like the boulevard version of a national geographic. It is really disturbing that the polls are UNDER the articles, they should be disabled on load and then faded in by javscript due to a click on a 'more info'/'vote' button (whatever you may call it) or something like that. Or you categorize them and display the newest ones with big big pictures in a column to the left and use the remaining place for a per-page/per-post-view where you put the poll aside aligned to the right. A coloured background might also be a favor example of catching visitors. Think of black if you just want to have the pictures staying contrastly in front, or any other color that is 'mild' and 'deep'. E.g. an indian yellow or a sunny orange, something like that. If you want to let it glare, then use graphical border-sets around your articles that make them look grabable, handy or something like that. Just try something, if you have interest to built it up and work massively on it ask me for help by providing some facts about the number of artciles you have, the system it is based on, how much space you have and so on. Possibly we might give it a push? You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

If you are able to give specifics about the used Html-Elements, kinds of Java-Script used (if so) and how the styles have been defined? Yep, i can give you an answer. But only if you also know what kind/version/restrictions of DDA you want to meet and if you are able to define the spectrum of necessary client-platforms (Browser-Types and Versions, OS). You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

Coverage? Or do you mean the other way around? Possibly Camouflaging scripts? You might use server-side java-scripts or signated ones. First ones are just loaded as an object or external script and accordingly set to the appropriate read-rights par ftp. If you just want to make it 'strongly not recommended' up to 'impossible' to understand what the script works out, well... What about crazy hieroglyphic names for variables, short-forms of if/then/else-constructs and as much functions as possible? If you want to make it heavily difficult for the normal user to 'see' your scripts you should use an xml-http-request instance and use it as a loader for your external javascript-segments normally bound inside the body. And then replace the innerHtml of any given Element that has an id-Tag with this script. That performs a runtime/asynchronous call of the script only accessible in RAM. No temporary files, no Cookie-handling, no Session-Sets... But if you really meant Coverage as used for covering something up, get into the details, etc. then you should install the latest opera, read anything about storing sessions and edit them in author-mode, buy a good Javascript 1.3/1.5-Reference and spent some time with HT-Tracks WebSite-Copier. With that you're on the best way to 'investigate'. You might be, because you truly don't wanted to know about simple tasks like 'hacking' and 'jacking', do you? Well, possibly i misunderstood the whole question. So, i really don't know if any of this might have had helped you if you're through with practicing it, but maybe? Just try it, take your time. If you got special questions you're free to send me an e-Mail. Please be specific and precisely as you're able if you're asking for help. You know, code is poetry, fine and tasty; ...but taste sometimes isn't discussable. You're Welcome, Paeth.Claudius-Raphael

Well, due to the fact that i'm not fascinated on tables like others are, i can only give you some simple hints. But before that, i want to ask, why are you still using nested tables? It isn't even a rumour anymore, that it produces more problems and a massive code-overhead and eats RAM-Ressources 'til the earth stands still. Okay, whatever; Should be your problem, but if there's a reason why, please note it. 1) Even in html 4 it is not allowed to use style-attributes in every table-element when using nested tables, because without a class-definition in a cascading style sheet the doubled definitions are differently interpreted. That is, because tables are organized as a list inside the interpreter, so the normal 'The same tag inside (with a style definition) overrides the parent tag, is not given. 2) The 'td'-tags/-Elements that are emepty are written like ''. That space in between the opening tag should be deleted. Why? Because there are many browsers especially Mozilla-based and the older Netscapes that produce blank childs/doubled text-nodes inside the Element-Hierarchy while parsing the site on load. The result is unpredictable, because even the same browser-installation (same version, setup-type, etc.) is making it's behaviour dependent on the machines power (RAM, CPU-TYPE,etc.) and especially, the core-services provided by the operating system. So just clean up that table-tree of those spaces. Anytime, you are building a site. There should be no element that hasn't attributes in it having spaces! 3) Due to the talk, any helper might give advice based on looking up the code-result in front-page... I'm not one of those 'pro-anything-else-than-microsoft'-users, but to be true, though' i'm loving microsoft-products i never used frontpage. But what i can tell you, is that the Internet Explorer (any Version) got a problem with '100%' of width in the style-attribute of a table. This is because the styles that are pre-defined for tables use borders, column-spacing and margin-settings, that make it impossible to run a table at '100%' width without defining a stylesheet that cleans up those pre-definitions. In some tasks it could help to set the body-Element and all-Elements to zero padding and margin. So the resulting code should look like: (somewhere inside the ... <!-- body{ margin:0px; padding:0px; width:100%; overflow:auto; } *{ margin:0px; padding:0px; } //--> This is the absolute minimum set of style definitions you might ha