Yeah, it was just one of those mornings eariler - took a 5min break came back and realised I was going about it backwards :) Richard Green

Yep, off IIS as i'd expect, i think i've ruled out it being the framework itself as an application i wrote in beta2 and compiled still loads and works as expected, its just VS2005 Pro that crashes on start up. Richard Green

I agree on the ending of "The Nights Dawn" though it didn't scare me away. As Roger suggests, try the Greg Mandell books, they are quite good. I can also recommend "Fallen Dragon", but be prepared to go through some hundred rather boring start pages. I actually did put the book away for months, but then I got sick and didn't have any other reading and it appeared that the action started just a few pages from where I initially stopped!. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind