She was investigated over the email server and it was determined that there was nothing prosecutable. Case closed. She's "innocent". Do I think she's 100% squeaky clean? No. No politician is. Hell, I think we'd be hard pressed to find ANYBODY that's 100% squeaky clean and never broken a law in their life. Do I think should she be in prison like Donald says she should be? After she gets convicted of something, sure. So now you'll point out that Donald wasn't convicted of anything either. Correct, he wasn't. Is there a ton of evidence that indicates he's a sociopath and a predator? Absolutely. I've "convicted" him of being a sociopath, not a rapist. Being a sociopath isn't a jailable offense, but it does disqualify you from being president imo. I've also "convicted" him of being extremely immature and erratic. That too disqualifies you from being president. Does that clear things up?

F-ES Sitecore wrote:

Again I'm perplexed at your line of questioning. Once more I will say that I am neither defending nor attacking Trump nor Clinton so what evidence there is of what is literally irrelevant. With Trump you think "guilty until proven innocent" and with Clinton you think "innocent until proven guilty". That's all I'm pointing out.

I keep pointing out that whether you like it or not, Clinton *has* been proven innocent. Cleared of all charges. No open investigations. She did nothing wrong. The fact that you choose to ignore that fact... :). Trump has not been cleared of anything and the evidence against him is piling up and his defense makes him look even stupider and look more guilty. If Clinton was actually charged or convicted of something, then I guess she should go to jail too. I never said Bill never ruined that dress (we weren't talking about Bill, I know, but I'm pointing out that I am not JUST biased against Trump). It's been proven that he did. And he got punished for it.

Well, we're now up to _9_ victims, and _20+_ corroborators, unless there's been more since I last checked. Good news though, Trump & Pence did finally release their "100% proof" :). Trump claims he couldn't have assaulted the woman on the plane (apart from the fact that she's too ugly to rape), because the arm rests on the plane (I want to say a bombardier or something like that) are fixed and don't move! Oh boy... glad he cleared that up! 10 seconds later, everybody on the planet dug up the manual for the plane and lo and behold the arm rests DO move :doh:. MEANWHILE, Trump tweets out that he was not impressed with Clintons ass in the 2nd debate. Sheesh. If you detest Trump so much, why are you voting for him? You seriously put the email server above sexual assault? They are both 2 faced liars, that's a politicians job. You think Trump isn't going to do paid speeches after he loses? If you hate both the candidates, then either vote for one of the others (I can't even think of their names, Johnson somebody?) or not vote at all? EDIT: Oh yeah, and aside from Trump berating Clintons ass, he now also claims she is on PEDs.

Nathan Minier wrote:

Failure to prosecute does not even imply innocence; it implies favoritism.

Last time I checked it could also mean they have no case.

Nathan Minier wrote:

But feel free to keep pretending that you know something.

Speaking of pretending to know stuff... the NYT writers claimed they talked to Trump several days before they published the article. I'm smart enough to know about emergency injunctions. Why isn't Trump and his lawyers? Umm... oh yeah, that's right... because it would all come out and/or he would have to perjure himself under oath. We're now up to 5 victims btw. Trump (and now Pence) have been claiming for almost 2 days now that they are going to release 100% proof of Trumps innocence... what happened to that? Oh yeah... he doesn't have such proof. But lets forget about your bias against Clinton for a second... SERIOUS QUESTION... If Trump was found guilty of molesting 5 women, do you still believe he is fit for president? Should he go to jail? Last time I checked it was sexual assault and he would have to register as a sex offender for life. I just want to make sure that if you think Clinton should be jailed, then you feel the same about Trump... cuz at a Trump rally last night, many Trump supporters stated flat out on camera "we don't care if he's guilty, he's still awesome".

I'm not a woman, so I can't comment on how they think / feel, but its pretty well established that they often take years / decades to come forward on celebs / powerful people. So the fact that nobody reported it back then is irrelevant. Does it 100% prove he's guilty? Ok, well, no. Do you believe that Sandusky is a child molester? All of them took years to come forward. Note, that were are now up to accuser #5. That's not irrelevant. Also, much like everything else Trump has claimed in the past, his latest claim also appears to be B.S. He claimed he sent a PI to Hawaii and would prove O was not born in the US and that he would soon reveal 100% proof. He of course never did. And it was even debunked that he did ANYTHING. He even later claimed he didn't start the birther movement. Now his latest claim was that he had 100% proof he didn't molest these women and both he and Pence said they would reveal it shortly. "In a few hours". Much like his tax records, nothing but vaporware (so far). Where's the proof he claims he has? He's also said he is going to sue NYT and People. Much like all his other claims, nothing but talk. Writers said specifically interviewed him earlier in the week. Ok... so why did the story get out? Not sure how much you know about law, but you can get an emergency injunction in a few hours. Trump had days to do so. Why didn't he get one? With all his lawyers. More of his empty threats like how he is going to jail Clinton when he wins which is unconstitutional by the way.

I'm confused. Have you heard there are tapes out? The tapes were doctored? I find your "no evidence" line laughable. Have you heard there are now 4 women coming out? Have you heard that their stories were debunked by Trump *employees*? LOL Have you heard Trump debunked the stories as well? You know, by saying one of the women were too ugly to molest? And by remembering in vivid detail the day 30 yrs ago? I'm not calling you Hitler or anything else. I do suggest you read up on sociopath behavior though. Trump of course. Not you. Where did you get that I am trying to "silence you"?? You still have not explained why you don't have these same feelings about Trump though.

I did no such thing. The only thing you have said so far that I agree with is that I am biased against sexual predators. Weird though. Paul Ryan and John McCain seem to agree with me.

Treason? What treason? Is there an investigation open I haven't heard about? Are you implying that running a private email server is treason?

Your reasoning seems highly flawed as well since you seem to put sex crimes on the same level as running email servers. I don't. She was also cleared of any wrong doing. Trump has not. His response was to pay 4 women to testify against her husband who isn't even running.

The email server was dumb, but not illegal. She's not a sociopath. Trump clearly is one. You see there IS evidence against Trump. All those tapes. You just choose to ignore them because you have a bias against Clinton. If you made sexual comments about my daughter to me, I'd rip your head off and have you eating through a straw. Trump, on the other hand, agrees with your comments and joins in on the fun while also making sexual comments about underage girls. Why do you choose to ignore everything Trump does? But not Hillary?

So running a private email server is worse then sex crimes? Interesting bar you have there.

jesarg wrote:

The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited.

The Access Hollywood tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The Howard Stern tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making a sexual comment about an underage girl is manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making sexual comments about his daughter is manufactured? Ok... :doh: Sexual assault is a sex crime last time I checked. Did he do it? Well, along with the tapes, his attitude, his ego, etc. I'd believe it. Apparently the NYT did as well since they just issued a statement saying they stand by it and are not retracting.

jesarg wrote:

On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would.

She does? I wasn't aware she's been convicted or charged with any crime. I also wasn't aware there was any evidence of such things. No open investigations either. Thanks for bring me up to speed.

jesarg wrote:

However, most major media sources side with Clinton

I agree with this.

jesarg wrote:

how insane and surreal the stories end up being

You lost me again. Tapes. BTW, speaking of all the stuff you accuse Clinton of, where are Trumps tax records? Still being "audited" I guess? Why doesn't he let them release The Apprentice tapes? Or waive his NDAs? Oh yeah, that's right, since according to EVERYBODY who worked on the show, they are filled with n-bombs, sexist, racist, homophobic and anti-disability rants. More manufactured stuff I guess? :zzz:

jesarg wrote:

Outside these delusional narratives

Again. You lost me. Trump says he won both debates. Nobody agrees with him. Trump says he is leading in the polls. Only Rasmussen agrees with him. Every other polling company says Clinton is up 5 to 10 points. They must be in bed with her. Trump says the election is rigged. The media is definitely biased against him. That's no

charlieg wrote:

toward what the cliff?

The one that his poll numbers fell off? :-O

My issue with him is his erratic and childish behavior. I do agree that we should tighten our borders and we definitely need to take a harder line on drugs, guns and foreign policy. Some of the stuff that Trump promises is just fantasy nonsense. 4% growth? There isn't a single economist out there who thinks that possible. I have a better chance of dating Mila Kunis then *anybody* has of getting to 4% growth in 4 - 8 yrs. The other issue I have with Trump is that he will run into the same issue that O has. Congress won't work with him and he won't work with them Period. So he'll be a lame duck. How does he expect to get anything done? O hasn't gotten anything done because congress fights him on everything. They'll work with Hillary though. So, yeah, we might not get everything perfect in 4 - 8 yrs, but at least we'll make progress.

The "wrong temperament to be president" phrase is definitely a Clinton catch-phrase and I definitely would not have called it that myself. Not based in reality? Come on now. I watched the debates and some of his speeches both now and during the primaries and I saw this long before Clinton started pointing it out. I personally called it "being an immature crybaby". Whenever something goes wrong for him or starts to head south, he'll make a childish comment and go off the rails and off message and make some obnoxious comment. "My mic was rig", "this is rigged", "that's rigged", "she's a fat pig", "I meant this", "that was taken out of context", blah, blah, etc. He's thin skinned and its easy to provoke him and push his buttons. Heck, I could probably drive him to mass murder as I've been told I can push peoples buttons sometimes LOL. Now, if you haven't picked up on it, I'm a Hill supporter this time around :), but when she was going up against O (I was for her back then too), I kept saying she was blowing it by making childish comments and being a sore loser, etc. Bernie did it this time. Every time he lost a primary he was the worlds biggest crybaby even though he lost fair and square and when you do that, things start to unravel. You'll notice that this go around whenever Hill lost to Bernie, she didn't act like she did in her first run. She kept her poise and kept ignoring him and let him go down in flames by himself. Exactly what she's doing with Trump and exactly what O did with her. Like why is Trump harping on Bill and things Bill did? Bill ain't running. Why is he still harping on the emails? Yeah, she shouldn't have done it, but she didn't break any laws. End of story. Whether you agree with that or not, that's the deal. Now that we're starting to get glimpses that its not just locker room talk... last time I checked, molesting people was illegal too. You might say the email thing involved national security, but so does what Trump did or potentially will do. Like I said in another response, you think our nation will be secure if Trump was prez and he suddenly got arrested for rape or some sex crime? North Korea is definitely a button pusher. Syria is definitely a button pusher. They can easily provoke Trump into war or worse. That's what people are afraid of. Hill and O are a little too PC on that front, but Trump is waaay too eager to push the button.

Trump handles accusations badly. Every time he is accused of something he gets all immature and melts down further. He doesn't have the temperament to be prez is right. You need somebody that's emotionally stable. Trump is not.

Well, I will agree the timing is well timed LOL. But honestly, he's been going off the rails for months. Whether you like Hillary or not, Trump is just not fit to be president. I voted for Romney last time and I wanted Hill the time before that. This stuff SHOULD be released so we know what we're getting. Can you imagine the craziness that would occur if all these things came out about a sitting president?

Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too? Where there's smoke there's fire. There is also a TON of 100% UNDENIABLE proof that he is hella creepy. Apprentice Tapes Billy Bush Tapes Howard Stern Tapes Miss America All the comments he's made during the primaries There is even a tape of him commenting about a LITTLE GIRL that he'll be dating her in 10 yrs.

Wasn't meant as a troll (and I didn't know politics weren't allowed here), but I forgot this is the internet and especially CP LOL.

So being cleared of "crimes" is a crime, but molesting women is not? I think you're being delusional about being delusional :).