As Clynt has mentioned, foo and bar have nothing to do with FUBAR. Trivia: In the mid 80's, I worked at DEC, where users were identified by their node and username, using the format ::. My node name was "FOO" and my username was "BAR" (my initials backwards), causing my id to be FOO::BAR. I used to receive innumerable emails and network connections from people testing their code. Most of the time, the emails would say "This should fail...". I fondly remember replying to the sender saying, "It succeeded!". :-) More trivia: My friend Larry who sat in a nearby cube had a machine whose node name was NODE and a username USERNAME. Emails sent to NODE::USERNAME (usually by admin staff learning how to use the MAIL utility) were cheerfully answered by him. Even more trivia: Foo and Bar are near and dear to my heart. If you don't believe me, check out my product FooBar at http://www.matrixsoftware.com. :-) Cheers, /ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com