thanks for the link, it is hard to keep up all of the real news. nothing to do about oil, neah not our government bureaucracy. We need to work on alternatives to oil, which already exist, but this would affect too many businesses(capitialism backbone). Including Ford Motor Company, and that oil company that Bush has both some shares off:rolleyes: Later, JoeSox www.joeswammi.com The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is inefficiency. An efficient bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty. Eugene McCarthy

:laugh: :laugh: "Pretending to guide me, you led me astray, And I don't want to fall into your kind of ways." "Melt", Front 242

Marc Clifton wrote: At least reading him, I can omit the pauses inbetween each word that are so big you could fit the Grand Canyon in them. Maybe someone told him to think twice before speaking. Marc Clifton wrote: Thank goodness for our Founding Fathers and their foresight and guidance. Had they known about GWB, they would have added an extra amendment prohibiting idiots to become president. :rolleyes: -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

TyMatthews wrote: Read that again. I asked... do you empathize with the Nazis? I didn't ask "are you a Nazi?" They are distinct questions, and somehow you turned it into that. That is a pathetic distinction. TyMatthews wrote: Hello? Vietnam? Korea? Manifest destiny? What were you doing during History class? I am an avid student of history. My reading inform me that Vietnam and Korea did not happen in a vacume. We didn't attack those countries for our own benefit. We did so in an ultimately successful attempt to stop the USSR, one of the most brutal and aggressive nations in history, from taking over the entire damned planet. But I suppose you feel the world would be better off today if they had won instead. TyMatthews wrote: Here's some history for you on America using force to push its will. Teddy Roosevelt took control of Panama via force to build the canal. Sent a battleship and marines. Why? So his grand Navy could travel from coast to coast without having to go around South America. He wanted it done, he made it happen, and it was so. Manifest destiny. We wanted all of the land, from sea to shining sea. Push the Native Americans out. Send Union troops to massacre them... destroy their villages... break them apart at the seams. We did so, we took control of all the land, the Native Americans have nothing but poverty-riddled reservations. Yes, my people were participants in the great bulk of American history. If they had not done those things we would never have become a nation powerful enough to have defeated NAZI Germany and the Soviet Union. The Native Americans were doomed in any case. Furthermore, we did nothing to them that they were not already doing to each other. America is guilty of nothing more than playing the same game every other country on the planet was playing at the same time - only a little better, hence our well deserved arrogance. TyMatthews wrote: Do you concede the massive amount of civilian killings that will happen as just "acceptable collateral damage?" I think we will do every thing possible to minimize civilian casualties. TyMatthews wrote: Do you think they are willing to accept death in order to eradicate him? Would'nt you? I would. As to the other issues you list, again, they did not happen in a vacume. We spent several decades trying to control the expansion of the Soviet Uni

Giles wrote: Did I mention that 'possibly' one of the reasons that France & Russia are against the 2nd current resolution are the outstanding oil contracts worth up to 50 billion USD, that depend on Saddam staying in power and UN sanctions being removed. That’s why France tried to sponsor the removal of the sanctions 2 years ago after only 6 months previous to that signing the agreements. Germany on the other hand really does appear to be partly sincere, but also as if it is playing along with France to maintain a consistent EU face. Yes, exactly. That is a connection I completely believe. The US has already promised Britain (and Spain) a piece of the action they are sure to get. Giles wrote: Finnaly, and I quickly read one of the links. The US does not contro oil prices and never will. They are control by OPEC and oil is sold largely though the International Oil Exchange based in London down by St. Katherines Docks. A quiet building, as they don't advertise. U.S. (nay the Bush family/oil industry) interests in the Middle East is far more diverse than what the American public currently believes. It's not about removing a horrible dictator. It's not about defending America from terrorism. As I've argued, the terrorist acts in the last 10 years are due to the Bush family's administration policies. Some of it is retribution and a personal war for Bush idiot number two. "He tried to kill my daddy!" Most of it, however, is to further their own agenda and push their own policy. The points that the American public hears and reads about in the tightly-controlled news are those that will win support.     Ty "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein

David Stone wrote: Whereas the philosophers made philosophical statements based on the weed they were currently smoking... :laugh: Regards, Brian Dela :-)

Thanks for your input, everyone. I think I will start writing a few articles and begin posting them here on CP. Ty "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein