Michael P Butler wrote: Don't know if this is of any use http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/04/19/groves/index.html There are probably some more articles on XML.com as well. Thanks Michael, that is the first link I came up with too. It is a good explanation, just does not have any actual examples. Aaarrgghh, I wish people would "keep things simple" and not just throw technologies into the pot just for the sake of it. We could do the project quicker AND better with standard XML rahter than using this whole XML Grove stuff. Oh well, the client is always right...the client is always right...the client is always right...the client is always right...the client is always right...the client is always right...the client is always right...the client is always right... *bang!* not when they are dead.. :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront