I don't do C++ either and I don't plan to, not my kind of language at all... Yeah, I go back and forth on C++. (Get it, Forth? :rolleyes: Sorry, that was un-intentional, really!) I would like to be able to do some "serious" development but I am an old Pascal guy and C makes me kinda woogy. (who is gonna get kicked off now? :) ) I am actually thinking about Delphi/Kylix so I can do cross-platform RAD development in Pascal. Some of the things MicroSoft are doing at the moment are making me queasy and I am getting nervous about being tied to them as tightly as I am right now. I like their stuff, but I think I may want to have other options. Right now all I do is ASP (using vbscript), PHP (hey that's not MicroSoft!), JavaScript, HTML, and some tSQL. I thought it would be *fun* to do it using ASP.NET (C# as the language), good learning project, are you interested in .NET? Naturally I am using VS.NET Beta 2... You seem to have a perverted definition of "fun". :-D I would totally be up for doing it in .net. I have not even touched any of the .net stuff so the spin up would probably be fairly sharp for me, but I do want to learn it so I would be game. C# would be my choice also, if I am gonna learn .net I'd like to add another language to my skill set. Send me an email with any ideas and then we can sync up and go wild I will go and look at the code libraries I use and try and figure out what I like and what I hate. I will make some lists of ideas both positive and negative. I will shoot you an e-mail later tonight or tomorrow with my ideas. In the mean time, why don't you give me a high level overview of your thoughts so far? It was your idea originally, after all. :) What about the environment we would be coding to? Can we use Stored Procedures if we want to? What do we have available on the CP servers? Jason Jystad Cito Technologies www.citotech.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------------< "In My Egotistical Opinion, most people's C programs should be indented six feet downward and covered with dirt." -- Blair P. Houghton >----------------------------------------------------------------------------<