Why doesn't MS put their MS books online?
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Christian Graus wrote: They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Why don't you guys move to the 1st world ? Can't you get visas etc ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
Colin Davies wrote: Why don't you guys move to the 1st world ? Can't you get visas etc ? Nope :-( Gettin a Visa is really tough here... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Dunno about Nish, but for me, the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Dunno about Nish Its a tragedy really. I mean if I could get employed in a decent company somewhere in the US, it would be great mutually. I get to work in a nice developed country with latest technology tools and hardware. They get a really good programmer [just being plain honest here...] But now, alas :-( What's funny is all it takes is for some company to get me a Visa... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
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Christian Graus wrote: the loss of wages is made up for in low crime and breathable air. That figures, I hear there is a ferry that takes migrants over the Bass Straits (Straights). Maybe you could sneak aboard oneday. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
I've been - two weeks back and the respitory problems are starting to ease. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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I've been - two weeks back and the respitory problems are starting to ease. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I've been - two weeks back and the respitory problems are starting to ease. The big smoke sucks eh. [ Joke intended ] I guess the other advantage where you live is the plentiful supply of meat aka road-kill. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority. -- Doctor Who 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
WOW. Are computers 2-3x more expensive also?**
Todd Smith
CPUA 0x007 ... shaken not stirred
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WOW. Are computers 2-3x more expensive also?**
Todd Smith
CPUA 0x007 ... shaken not stirred
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Our dollar is worth 1/2 what the US$ is. That is where the price of books jumps - just go to Amazon, double it, and add $20 for shipping. As for a PC, this is a price from someone I know is cheap: Intel Celeron 1000Mhz CPU Retail Boxed. Flip Chip, integrated 256 Kbyte L2 cache. Tualatin. 100Mhz FSB ASUS TUSI-MAL Motherboard On board video, sound, and LAN 256Mb 168pin PC133 SDRAM A single stick of SDRAM 1.44M Panasonic FDD Model JU-257 20.4G Maxtor Athena 5400rpm HDD The Maxtor 541DX is the latest in the new family of Maxtor single-platter 5400 RPM hard drives designed for higher reliability. Integrated AGP Video Card The video card is built into the motherboard. See motherboard specifications for more information 17" Ultraview L7052LP Monitor 17 " (16" Diagonal) Midi-tower ATX Case with 250W PS 3x5.25"bay, 2x3.5"bay ATX. Appropriate for Celeron and Pentium 3 Systems Samsung PS2 Keyboard Microsoft Intellimouse PS2 OEM Supplied as a bare mouse, not boxed. With systems only 52x Samsung CDROM Drive Embedded EIDE / ATAPI Interface for easy installation, Full CAV Technology 22X - 52X, Data Transfer Rate 7,800 KB/sec Integrated Stereo Sound Card The sound card is built into the motherboard. Please see motherboard specifications for more information 180W Stereo Speakers Windows XP Professional OEM Next generation windows. Available with system orders only. Click herefor more information. MS Office XP Small Business Edition OEM Price: $1849 Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: A book costs me a days wages Same here too. However, I try to make a case at times and get away with my company paying for them. I just ordered 9 .NET books with my company paying for all. Well, I am in a middle of a design of new products for my company and there is a need to support the .NET as early as possible and with the small programmers around, we need to use COM and .NET interop as much as possible to satisfy many platforms. Starving knowledge, I cried for books, justified them and got them ordered ;P even though I do not have the VS.NET :(( Best regards, Paul. Paul Selormey, Bsc (Elect Eng), MSc (Mobile Communication) is currently Windows open source developer in Japan.
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CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby not quite after current "civilized world" law. if you steal out of need, you did steal and break the law, get ready for jail. If you steal without need, it's a mental issue, which is to be resolved by a pychatrist. >> I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... But how? The starving child mother hand-copying 100 pg / day like in an dark age monastery?
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I think it's not fair that the MS developer books are used as a means of earning still more profit. I seriously believe that these books should be part of MSDN. Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
There was a time, a long time ago, when Microsoft did include some books on the MSDN CD. Now we only seem to get a couple of chapters. A quote from the October 2002 MSDN We try to publish books in their entirety whenever possible. (You will find titles of complete books listed in the Books node in the Library table of contents.) However, because of publisher or author restrictions, we sometimes are able to publish only selected portions of books. In making our decision to publish a partial book, we follow two criteria: MSDN developers must read the book critically and give it a positive review, and then MSDN developers must determine that the portion of the book that we publish has value in and of itself, as stand-alone content. Michael :-)
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Nish, you're too intelligent to make such a statement. M$ make money per book, but so do the authors - M$ work like any other publishing house AFAIK. It may seem fair that M$ make no money on their books, but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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I think it's not fair that the MS developer books are used as a means of earning still more profit. I seriously believe that these books should be part of MSDN. Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I seriously believe that these books should be part of MSDN. Don't you think MS would be sued by other publishers in no time? :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Christian Graus wrote: Dunno about Nish Its a tragedy really. I mean if I could get employed in a decent company somewhere in the US, it would be great mutually. I get to work in a nice developed country with latest technology tools and hardware. They get a really good programmer [just being plain honest here...] But now, alas :-( What's funny is all it takes is for some company to get me a Visa... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Come work in ireland. They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world. and then technology is here.. well.. all bar decent net conenctions "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
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Come work in ireland. They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world. and then technology is here.. well.. all bar decent net conenctions "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
shamrock wrote: They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world Per capita? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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shamrock wrote: They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world Per capita? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
No. Actually the largest exporters of software. It's probably because of all the technology parks in CORK LIMERICK and DUBLIN. Well. All Microsoft Localiastion is done in Dublin. so your talking about every MS product in 96 languages being released from their Dublin offices. and HEadway software as well. A loads others. "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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Just because MS is well-off doesn't entitle others to enjoy their work for free. Linux stuff is free simply because it's the easiest way to generate and maintain interest for those products. Microsoft doesn't have to, so they don't. It's pretty easy really. -- Eric Move along, nothing to see here.
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No. Actually the largest exporters of software. It's probably because of all the technology parks in CORK LIMERICK and DUBLIN. Well. All Microsoft Localiastion is done in Dublin. so your talking about every MS product in 96 languages being released from their Dublin offices. and HEadway software as well. A loads others. "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
Interesting. So they also make packaging and shrink-wrap the stuff, right? Is there enough trees on the island to make all these cardboxes? :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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No-one does anything for free, some people just do stuff for reasons other than money. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field. I assume this was meant to be a joke? If not, please tell me where I can 'buy' these free books? Even if I don't read them, the paper will come in handy for my niece to scribble on. Michael :-)
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Just because MS is well-off doesn't entitle others to enjoy their work for free. Linux stuff is free simply because it's the easiest way to generate and maintain interest for those products. Microsoft doesn't have to, so they don't. It's pretty easy really. -- Eric Move along, nothing to see here.
Obviously my sarcasm went right past you.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field. I assume this was meant to be a joke? If not, please tell me where I can 'buy' these free books? Even if I don't read them, the paper will come in handy for my niece to scribble on. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: I assume this was meant to be a joke? Sarcasm, really. I find it quite interesting that CPains are as polarized and easy to get wound up as Slashdotters.
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