Why doesn't MS put their MS books online?
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency They cost $120-$150 here, I make $22 an hour before tax. A book costs me a days wages. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: A book costs me a days wages Same here too. However, I try to make a case at times and get away with my company paying for them. I just ordered 9 .NET books with my company paying for all. Well, I am in a middle of a design of new products for my company and there is a need to support the .NET as early as possible and with the small programmers around, we need to use COM and .NET interop as much as possible to satisfy many platforms. Starving knowledge, I cried for books, justified them and got them ordered ;P even though I do not have the VS.NET :(( Best regards, Paul. Paul Selormey, Bsc (Elect Eng), MSc (Mobile Communication) is currently Windows open source developer in Japan.
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CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby not quite after current "civilized world" law. if you steal out of need, you did steal and break the law, get ready for jail. If you steal without need, it's a mental issue, which is to be resolved by a pychatrist. >> I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... But how? The starving child mother hand-copying 100 pg / day like in an dark age monastery?
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I think it's not fair that the MS developer books are used as a means of earning still more profit. I seriously believe that these books should be part of MSDN. Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
There was a time, a long time ago, when Microsoft did include some books on the MSDN CD. Now we only seem to get a couple of chapters. A quote from the October 2002 MSDN We try to publish books in their entirety whenever possible. (You will find titles of complete books listed in the Books node in the Library table of contents.) However, because of publisher or author restrictions, we sometimes are able to publish only selected portions of books. In making our decision to publish a partial book, we follow two criteria: MSDN developers must read the book critically and give it a positive review, and then MSDN developers must determine that the portion of the book that we publish has value in and of itself, as stand-alone content. Michael :-)
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Nish, you're too intelligent to make such a statement. M$ make money per book, but so do the authors - M$ work like any other publishing house AFAIK. It may seem fair that M$ make no money on their books, but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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I think it's not fair that the MS developer books are used as a means of earning still more profit. I seriously believe that these books should be part of MSDN. Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I seriously believe that these books should be part of MSDN. Don't you think MS would be sued by other publishers in no time? :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Christian Graus wrote: Dunno about Nish Its a tragedy really. I mean if I could get employed in a decent company somewhere in the US, it would be great mutually. I get to work in a nice developed country with latest technology tools and hardware. They get a really good programmer [just being plain honest here...] But now, alas :-( What's funny is all it takes is for some company to get me a Visa... Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
Come work in ireland. They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world. and then technology is here.. well.. all bar decent net conenctions "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
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Come work in ireland. They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world. and then technology is here.. well.. all bar decent net conenctions "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
shamrock wrote: They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world Per capita? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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shamrock wrote: They say we're the biggest exporter of computer software in the world Per capita? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
No. Actually the largest exporters of software. It's probably because of all the technology parks in CORK LIMERICK and DUBLIN. Well. All Microsoft Localiastion is done in Dublin. so your talking about every MS product in 96 languages being released from their Dublin offices. and HEadway software as well. A loads others. "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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Just because MS is well-off doesn't entitle others to enjoy their work for free. Linux stuff is free simply because it's the easiest way to generate and maintain interest for those products. Microsoft doesn't have to, so they don't. It's pretty easy really. -- Eric Move along, nothing to see here.
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No. Actually the largest exporters of software. It's probably because of all the technology parks in CORK LIMERICK and DUBLIN. Well. All Microsoft Localiastion is done in Dublin. so your talking about every MS product in 96 languages being released from their Dublin offices. and HEadway software as well. A loads others. "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do, and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - General George S. Patton Jr.
Interesting. So they also make packaging and shrink-wrap the stuff, right? Is there enough trees on the island to make all these cardboxes? :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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No-one does anything for free, some people just do stuff for reasons other than money. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: but people like Charles Petzhold and Jeffrey Richter rely on their sales as a source of income. Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field. I assume this was meant to be a joke? If not, please tell me where I can 'buy' these free books? Even if I don't read them, the paper will come in handy for my niece to scribble on. Michael :-)
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Just because MS is well-off doesn't entitle others to enjoy their work for free. Linux stuff is free simply because it's the easiest way to generate and maintain interest for those products. Microsoft doesn't have to, so they don't. It's pretty easy really. -- Eric Move along, nothing to see here.
Obviously my sarcasm went right past you.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: Why? The Linux crowd puts their stuff out for free. Why can't Microsoft? This is obviously an area where Microsoft needs to start competing and domantate the field. I assume this was meant to be a joke? If not, please tell me where I can 'buy' these free books? Even if I don't read them, the paper will come in handy for my niece to scribble on. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: I assume this was meant to be a joke? Sarcasm, really. I find it quite interesting that CPains are as polarized and easy to get wound up as Slashdotters.
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No-one does anything for free, some people just do stuff for reasons other than money. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm thinking of getting married for companionship and so I have someone to cook and clean." - Martin Marvinski, 6/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: No-one does anything for free, some people just do stuff for reasons other than money. I breath to convert oxygen in to co2 for my plants. As a side effect, I continue to function, and they continue to wind up on my salad plate.
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CG I don't think you'd understand. These MS press books cost 3000-5000 bucks in Indian currency :-( I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... I know it's bad and ethically wrong. But the mother of a hungry crying baby is allowed the moral right to steal food for her baby ---> almost sounds like a translated chinese sayin eh? :-) Nish Bow wow wow, Yippee yo yippee yay, My miniputt high, Is now 30 yay.
> I wish we had pirated books like we have pirated CDs here... Since there's nothing illegal about recommending a newsgroup, here goes: alt.binaries.ebook*.* PDF and CHM-galore (among other formats) on a good day. Doesn't take long to fill a whole CD worth.