Israel's female soldiers
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Do many stay on and make a career out of the military? I am just wondering how "popular" the IDF is. If it is seen as an honourable route to take in life or whether it is looked down on as a neccesary evil. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Most israelis ive known fall into 2 categories. 1) Do their time, and only their time, then get the hell out. It used to be the case that they had to do 1mnth per year as well as the 3 years at age 18 - this was viewed the same way... necessary evil 2) Leave the country/apply for exemption due to not wanting to be in the army at all. I have known exactly zero career IDF soldiers - but there must be some otherwise there would be no upper ranks.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't think this was a natural phenomenon - it was more of a socially developed attitude.
Hey Nish, just consider a man and a woman, without anykind of training, don't you think by nature the latter is physically a bit weaker ? I guess only based on this , the attitude had grown up.
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VuNic wrote:
Hey Nish, just consider a man and a woman, without anykind of training, don't you think by nature the latter is physically a bit weaker ? I guess only based on this , the attitude had grown up.
They don't use hands and brute force a lot in the armed forces these days though. They use guns and bombs, the use of which does not really need a lot of physical strength. Regards, Nish
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VuNic wrote:
Women are in no way related to arms and fights.
Try telling that to a few of the women in my Kung Fu school. Some are tougher and better fighters then most of the men, (and not just because they do more groin kicks). Personally, as long as women can meet the same standards as men they should be allowed to do the same job.
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andy brummer wrote:
Try telling that to a few of the women in my Kung Fu school. Some are tougher and better fighters then most of the men, (and not just because they do more groin kicks). Personally, as long as women can meet the same standards as men they should be allowed to do the same job.
There are extrodinaries in every field. but when you take up things physically, women cannot stand up to the competion. they may be a good groin-kickers, but can you cannot say they'll beat all guys around. and who's your master ? is he a Guy or a Lady? and why we don't find a woman version of bruce lee or chuck?
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Yeah. Some people look down on Israel's mandatory conscription. I see where that's coming from, it's understandable. They have at least, as I understand it, lowered the number of mandatory years one must serve. In any case, one has to realize Israel is quite a different situation than Europe or the United States. Israel is attacked on an almost weekly basis by Islamic suicide bombers. It is surrounded by 23 Arab nations, most of which are fundamentalist Islamic theocracies and therefore hostile to Israel. We've been invaded on several occassions by multiple nations simultaneously; given that our land is relatively tiny, we have to be ready for defense at any moment. I don't know if that is enough to warrant mandatory conscription, but it certainly requires a well-trained military on constant alert, to say the least. That is critical to the preservation of the state itself. I should add the disclaimer that I'm a bit biased; my younger brother will be joining the Israeli Defense Forces this summer.
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Judah Himango wrote:
We've been invaded
I thought you were American. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
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Where is the correlation between Rabbi's (Religious) and conscription (Government mandated) There are few female rabbis because all but the progressive sects do not allow it.
Nish said that he didn't think there was any discrimination in Israel. Obviously that isn't true. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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VuNic wrote:
Hey Nish, just consider a man and a woman, without anykind of training, don't you think by nature the latter is physically a bit weaker ? I guess only based on this , the attitude had grown up.
They don't use hands and brute force a lot in the armed forces these days though. They use guns and bombs, the use of which does not really need a lot of physical strength. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
They don't use hands and brute force a lot in the armed forces these days though. They use guns and bombs, the use of which does not really need a lot of physical strength.
My view is like they are intellectually on par with men, or even better. So they'll better suit for controlling UAVs :). I dont tell this with a discriminatory sense, but I feel they dont need this physical strain and that too when we have enough men in the armed forces. and moreover I take a typical Indian women as an example.
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Judah Himango wrote:
We've been invaded
I thought you were American. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I thought you were American.
I believe Judah lives in the US, but was originally from Israel. Only confusing aspect is that he's a Christian and I always thought Israel had 100% Jews! Regards, Nish
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Judah Himango wrote:
We've been invaded
I thought you were American. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I thought you were American.
I believe Judah lives in the US, but was originally from Israel. Only confusing aspect is that he's a Christian and I always thought Israel had 100% Jews! Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I always thought Israel had 100% Jews!
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel. Cheers, Vikram.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I always thought Israel had 100% Jews!
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel.
Yeah, but do they have Christians there? Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
They don't use hands and brute force a lot in the armed forces these days though. They use guns and bombs, the use of which does not really need a lot of physical strength.
My view is like they are intellectually on par with men, or even better. So they'll better suit for controlling UAVs :). I dont tell this with a discriminatory sense, but I feel they dont need this physical strain and that too when we have enough men in the armed forces. and moreover I take a typical Indian women as an example.
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VuNic wrote:
I dont tell this with a discriminatory sense, but I feel they dont need this physical strain and that too when we have enough men in the armed forces. and moreover I take a typical Indian women as an example.
I understood your point of view. But there'd be quite a few women out there, who'd disagree :-) But in general, the armed forces have been a male dominated area. Regards, Nish
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Rather than portraying the soldier as heroic, confident, or proud, my images disclose a complexity of emotions. The soldier is often caught in a transient moment of self-reflection, uncertainty, a break from her daily reality, as if questioning her own identity and state of contradiction. She is a soldier in uniform but at the same time she is a teenage girl who is trying to negotiate between these two extreme dimensions.
Serial No3817131[^] I did not know that military service is mandatory for women as well as men in Israel. What other countries impose mandatory military service on women? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
When I got my first job 6 years ago, I spent a few weeks staying in a B&B until I found somewhere to rent. One morning I shared my breakfast table with a young lady from Israel who told me she had just finished her spell of national service working in a museum (as she hadn't wanted to do military service.) What I remember from what she said, whilst it is compulsory for everyone to do national service, there are far more options than just military service - a lot of options involved working for government agencies. -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't think this was a natural phenomenon - it was more of a socially developed attitude.
Hey Nish, just consider a man and a woman, without anykind of training, don't you think by nature the latter is physically a bit weaker ? I guess only based on this , the attitude had grown up.
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I agree with Nish there. Right from childhood, if girls are trained to be physically strong [and if they don't have the social pressure to maintain soft muscles just as a mark of feminity], they'd be physically as good as men too. In fact, in Indian villages, women do a lot of physical labor which make them very strong and healthy - women who carry water containers for kilometres, those who work in quarries carrying rocks, those who work in construction sites carrying 20 bricks or so on their head at a time. I am sure not many city men would be able to combat with them if they'd try. - Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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When I got my first job 6 years ago, I spent a few weeks staying in a B&B until I found somewhere to rent. One morning I shared my breakfast table with a young lady from Israel who told me she had just finished her spell of national service working in a museum (as she hadn't wanted to do military service.) What I remember from what she said, whilst it is compulsory for everyone to do national service, there are far more options than just military service - a lot of options involved working for government agencies. -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
Ah interesting. I wonder if this kind of nation building works. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I agree with Nish there. Right from childhood, if girls are trained to be physically strong [and if they don't have the social pressure to maintain soft muscles just as a mark of feminity], they'd be physically as good as men too. In fact, in Indian villages, women do a lot of physical labor which make them very strong and healthy - women who carry water containers for kilometres, those who work in quarries carrying rocks, those who work in construction sites carrying 20 bricks or so on their head at a time. I am sure not many city men would be able to combat with them if they'd try. - Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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VuNic wrote:
I dont tell this with a discriminatory sense, but I feel they dont need this physical strain and that too when we have enough men in the armed forces. and moreover I take a typical Indian women as an example.
I understood your point of view. But there'd be quite a few women out there, who'd disagree :-) But in general, the armed forces have been a male dominated area. Regards, Nish
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel.
Yeah, but do they have Christians there? Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there. The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab. Cheers, Vikram.
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Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there. The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there.
I wasn't saying they shouldn't. My question was of a demographic nature.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab.
Hmmm, okay. Maybe he is a born-again-Christian. Anyway, let's stop Sherlocking about this and wait for his reply :-) Regards, Nish
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smitha is very good at *shooting* points. I guess you never had won a conversation with her, if at you had one. :-D
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VuNic wrote:
smitha is very good at *shooting* points. I guess you never had won a conversation with her, if at you had one.
Uhm, we've had 1000s of conversations. We studied together in college, then worked together, and now live together. I guess you meant "arguments". :-) Regards, Nish
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