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jithAtran wrote:
.But anyway i dont think that it would cross 50,not even 30 I suppose.
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages. I haven't met or seen any tribal (speaking different dialect) working in the IT environment. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages. I haven't met or seen any tribal (speaking different dialect) working in the IT environment.
Another good link (via Rama) : http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
There are only 22 official languages
Ptth. What a lazy whiner Nish is. 200 languages indeed - any fool can learn 22 languages... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
Ptth. What a lazy whiner Nish is. 200 languages indeed - any fool can learn 22 languages...
:-D Regards, Nish
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While reading those threads below about using English as a universal language, I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India. In fact, when Smitha and I were planning to move out of Kerala for a while, we abandoned any plans of moving to other Indian states, since we'd have a serious communication issue, specially since I don't speak Hindi and Smitha's Hindi would be highly ineffective except for very basic sentences. Our only option was to move to an English-speaking country. Accents may differ, but it's still the same language. In fact we had a lot of trouble at the Chandigarh airport (we went there for Canadian Visa stamping) because no one in the airport spoke English (at least the ones we met) and we had a tough time figuring out where the baggage claim was. We also had a lot of trouble telling autorickshaw drivers where we needed to go, buying stuff from shops, ordering food, asking for drinking water etc. [mod] Here's a partial list of Indian languages :- http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] [/mod] Regards, Nish
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I heard that once of the major cities in Canada (either Montreal or Quebec) forbids the use of the English language. They will actually fine stores who have english text displayed in their windows. Is this still the case? Regards, Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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VuNic wrote:
And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
Being from Canada, I feel qualified to answer this question. Canada has two offical languages, English and French. Depending upon where you live in Canada, one language or the other is normally dominant. Moving from the East to the West... the Atlantic provinces (Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island) are mostly going to be English. New Brunswick, which borders Nova Scotia and Quebec, both are spoken - mostly English in the East, moving to mostly French in the West. In Quebec, mostly French, but still pockets of English. Ontario - Southern region, English; Northern region - mixed. The city I grew up in, North Bay, had an English to French mix of 75% / 25%, but surrouding communities were mostly French. As you move further West, it is almost always English.
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Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages.
:omg: No I am not. The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects. Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak. From wikipedia : In all, there are 24 languages which are spoken by a million or more people, in addition to thousands of smaller languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India[^] Regards, Nish
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The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects.
I agree we got 1000+ languages/dialets. But we are talking about different people talking in different languages/dialets at work. How many have you encountered at work? I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
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Kant wrote:
Exactly. Nish trying to exaggregate the number of languages.
:omg: No I am not. The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects. Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak. From wikipedia : In all, there are 24 languages which are spoken by a million or more people, in addition to thousands of smaller languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India[^] Regards, Nish
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Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.you cannot count Trichy tamil and Chennai Tamil or Uduppi Kannada and Shimoga Kannada as seperate languages. In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga. But even then the number the number of tribal languages ares very less.Infact,tribals are less in number -- modified at 12:37 Friday 5th May, 2006
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.you cannot count Trichy tamil and Chennai Tamil or Uduppi Kannada and Shimoga Kannada as seperate languages. In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga. But even then the number the number of tribal languages ares very less.Infact,tribals are less in number -- modified at 12:37 Friday 5th May, 2006
jithAtran wrote:
In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga.
See http://www.kamat.com/indica/diversity/languages.htm[^] Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Some tribals in kerala speak variants of Malayalam that are totally different from what I speak
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.you cannot count Trichy tamil and Chennai Tamil or Uduppi Kannada and Shimoga Kannada as seperate languages. In india officially there are only 22 languages which excludes tribal languages like baduga. But even then the number the number of tribal languages ares very less.Infact,tribals are less in number -- modified at 12:37 Friday 5th May, 2006
jithAtran wrote:
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.
No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
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I heard that once of the major cities in Canada (either Montreal or Quebec) forbids the use of the English language. They will actually fine stores who have english text displayed in their windows. Is this still the case? Regards, Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The actual number of languages in India would be 1000+, but there are at least 200 mainstream dialects.
I agree we got 1000+ languages/dialets. But we are talking about different people talking in different languages/dialets at work. How many have you encountered at work? I was interested by Vivek's comments about how all the Indian CPians would have to use English to communicate with each other because we have 200 languages in India [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Kant wrote:
How many have you encountered at work?
Not talking about work - but in general. At work, everyone would speak English, so there's never a language barrier. Regards, Nish
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Yes Nish, that's why people in the North keep living in the North and people in the south keep living in the south. It's big problem here. Without english , damn I can talk only to myself. Next to my desk, sits a Bengali,a Punjabi, a mallu, a guy from Orissa, andhra, maharastra and even an Assamese is here. Its quite a colorful mixture. And moreover our clients roam around. Without any question,English would suit the best. We may brag that we have more than 200 languages with us, but its of no use unless we learn all the 200 !, but anyway people in North can manage somehow with their Hindi. They get along easily with Hindi like lagauages Bengali,Punjabi). And btw in canada how often you'd meet french-speaking people?
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jithAtran wrote:
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.
No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
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here are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
here are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
jithAtran wrote:
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
Tribal areas in Kasarkode, Malappuram, Idukki. I don't know the exact names of those places. Most of those people fall under the Scheduled Tribes, and volunteers go there with the sole intention of teaching them Malayalam so they can mix with outter society. Regards, Nish
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I heard that once of the major cities in Canada (either Montreal or Quebec) forbids the use of the English language. They will actually fine stores who have english text displayed in their windows. Is this still the case? Regards, Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation
That would be Quebec's language police[^]. If you wanna do any business in Quebec, French is mandatory. Just to continue the subthread on the pockets of french in the rest of Canada, eastern Ontario is predominantly french. Not really surprising though given the proximity to Quebec.
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jithAtran wrote:
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
Tribal areas in Kasarkode, Malappuram, Idukki. I don't know the exact names of those places. Most of those people fall under the Scheduled Tribes, and volunteers go there with the sole intention of teaching them Malayalam so they can mix with outter society. Regards, Nish
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Marc Clifton wrote:
What's the history of your country's languages?
All the 4 states in south India got different languages (even the script). But in the case of North India which got more states but they also different languages but they somehow all connect to Hindi (National Lanugage). So if a person knows 'Hindi' can survive easily from Bombay to Delhi to Calcutta. [Quick Reply][Reply][Email][View Thread][Get Link][Bookmark]
Telugu and Kannada share the same script, with minor differences. Kinda like Hindi and Marathi, except Marathi has a couple of more characters. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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the tribal people will have thier own style in any part of the glob but the language would not be considered as a seperate language untill or unless its seperately named.
jithAtran wrote:
the tribal people will have thier own style in any part of the glob but the language would not be considered as a seperate language untill or unless its seperately named.
That's the whole point. Most other countries don't have as many sub-tribes (with custom languages) as India does. So it's accurate to state that India has 100s of languages - no other country can claim that. Officially we only have 24, but that's not the main point here. Another point is that dialects of a main language are okay for natives - a tamilian living in Chennai will easily understand Trichur Tamil. But for me, it will be another barrier to cross - they'll sound like 2 languages because my Tamil is very weak. Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote:
There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only.
No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
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jithAtran wrote: There will be different Slangs in every languages.it will vary form region to region.Considering Malayalam,Whatever be the style of speaking, as long as it is malayalam its malayalam only. No I don't mean slang. There are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam. They are as different from Malayalam and from each other, as say Hindi or Telugu. Regards, Nish
I agree with Nish here. Other examples would be kutchi, marwadi etc. These are the langugaes mix of Gujarati, Rajasthani, punjabi, snindhi etc. And there are plenty other languages like that. Some of these languages are even written using different script, but usually it would be very similar to the one of the official languages. Ankita
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
here are languages related to Malayalam, that's spoken in parts of Kerala which are not Malayalam
Can you please quote an example?.I mean,A place in kerala where they speak a language which is not malayalam but something related to malayalam
The northernmost district of Kerala, Kasargode (spelling may vary) has a large number of Tulu speakers. Its adjacent district in Karnataka, Managalore is a Tulu majority district. Belgaum in Karnataka is a Marathi majority district. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic