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  • J Jeremy Falcon

    I'm still waiting on your articles. Hint hint, nudge nudge. Jeremy Falcon

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    El Corazon
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    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

    I'm still waiting on your articles. Hint hint, nudge nudge.

    on what? double precision hardware depth buffers? misusing color for data transport? IR shaders? Virtual Botony from GIS? The problem is that if I actually "write" a white paper or a tutorial it has to be approved by a group that already admits they never want me to publish anything ever. But since I don't do classified work, I can just talk about things without a problem. ;P what did I say about irony? :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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      Yup. Same here. Then I started to realize I'm also gonna need a better education in at least one 3D modeling program, so I'm going with Max just because it's what I've always been used to. I do like the fact Maya runs on Macs, but since I don't have a Mac anymore nor a copy of Maya, well you get the idea. Which language are you doing your OGL programming in? Jeremy Falcon

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      Ryan Binns
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      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

      Which language are you doing your OGL programming in?

      C++. I'm also using this as an opportunity for doing some cross-platform work with wxWidgets, which has an OpenGL canvas as part of the main library. I've managed to get a simple app up and running, although it doesn't do an awful lot yet ;)

      Ryan

      "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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        Ryan Binns wrote:

        so it should be fun

        it is. :-D _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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        Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

        it is.

        :-D So far it's been quite enjoyable, although I've done a lot more reading than writing ;)

        Ryan

        "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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          Jeremy Falcon wrote:

          I'm still waiting on your articles. Hint hint, nudge nudge.

          on what? double precision hardware depth buffers? misusing color for data transport? IR shaders? Virtual Botony from GIS? The problem is that if I actually "write" a white paper or a tutorial it has to be approved by a group that already admits they never want me to publish anything ever. But since I don't do classified work, I can just talk about things without a problem. ;P what did I say about irony? :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

          on what?

          Anything involving OGL really. CP could use more of them.

          Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

          what did I say about irony?

          You damn govt. workers. :-D I used to work for the Dept. of Energy, so I know the crap you gotta go through. People with guns staring you down when you go the bathroom (until they get to know you), being careful what you say on the phone. Great fun. :) Jeremy Falcon

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            Jeremy Falcon wrote:

            Which language are you doing your OGL programming in?

            C++. I'm also using this as an opportunity for doing some cross-platform work with wxWidgets, which has an OpenGL canvas as part of the main library. I've managed to get a simple app up and running, although it doesn't do an awful lot yet ;)

            Ryan

            "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            I was thinking the same thing with wxWidgets, but so for I'm still using C and API in hopes not to overload my brain with too much new stuff at once. Maybe after I'm an old hand I'll swap over to wxWidgets. From playing around with wxWidgets though, I think it's great although some of it's UI features could be a bit updated (look-wise). Jeremy Falcon

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            • J Jeremy Falcon

              Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

              on what?

              Anything involving OGL really. CP could use more of them.

              Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

              what did I say about irony?

              You damn govt. workers. :-D I used to work for the Dept. of Energy, so I know the crap you gotta go through. People with guns staring you down when you go the bathroom (until they get to know you), being careful what you say on the phone. Great fun. :) Jeremy Falcon

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              El Corazon
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              Jeremy Falcon wrote:

              I used to work for the Dept. of Energy, so I know the crap you gotta go through. People with guns staring you down when you go the bathroom (until they get to know you), being careful what you say on the phone. Great fun.

              actually, I don't have to worry about what I say since I don't work on anything classified. That makes it real easy. Most of the time they hide me in the background anyhow because general's stare at my hair. :laugh: just 'cause it is longer than their secretary's.... :rolleyes: I regularly present at ITEA locally... though they usually rip the paper to shreds. It was ironic, I said less about a subject last year than the presenter before me even before they ripped out all the images, including a few MS power point clip-art on my supervisor's paper.... :confused: I will never understand.... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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              • B Bob X

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                ED, or XTree

                I have never heard of those, and I tried searching for ED and XTree on CP and didn't come up with much... -ED: every time someone put some word like "need" in their article -XTree[^] - is this what you were referring to?

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                Bob X wrote:

                I have never heard of those

                *GASP* *cough* *splutter* *splutter* Oh well, no surprise these days I guess :-D http://www.ztree.com/[^] Is a windows version of XTree that handles long file names and a few other niceties. I haven't been able to find a link to ED yet *sniff* :(( - Phil

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  I was thinking the same thing with wxWidgets, but so for I'm still using C and API in hopes not to overload my brain with too much new stuff at once. Maybe after I'm an old hand I'll swap over to wxWidgets. From playing around with wxWidgets though, I think it's great although some of it's UI features could be a bit updated (look-wise). Jeremy Falcon

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                  Ryan Binns
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                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                  From playing around with wxWidgets though, I think it's great although some of it's UI features could be a bit updated (look-wise).

                  It's not overly full of eye-candy, is it? ;) It's pretty good though, and it's close enough to MFC (which I know pretty much inside-out), so it's not proving to be too difficult to pick up.

                  Ryan

                  "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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                  • P Phil Martin

                    Bob X wrote:

                    I have never heard of those

                    *GASP* *cough* *splutter* *splutter* Oh well, no surprise these days I guess :-D http://www.ztree.com/[^] Is a windows version of XTree that handles long file names and a few other niceties. I haven't been able to find a link to ED yet *sniff* :(( - Phil

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                    Bob X
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                    pmartin wrote:

                    link to ED

                    Is it this ed[^] you are referring to?

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                    • B Bob X

                      pmartin wrote:

                      link to ED

                      Is it this ed[^] you are referring to?

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                      Phil Martin
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                      Nah, it was a pretty cool fairly interactive editor. It had menus, ascii tables, and everything! It was the bees kness! :-D - Phil

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                      • B Bob X

                        I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                        Bob X wrote:

                        and I am trying to think of a good easter egg

                        The only easter egg I tossed in was a simple caculator, I wonder if any of the users ever found it? Not like its hidden very well.


                        I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

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                        • B Bob X

                          I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                          Steve Mayfield
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                          Most of the Easter Eggs I have put into my programs are very subtle. A text string with my name that can only be seen by doing a binary dump...or commands that are the same as my initials are among my most common ones. Steve

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                          • B Bob X

                            I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                            NormDroid
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                            Personally I wouldn't bother unless your application is aim at the masses like Microsoft Word etc. If a few hundred people are going to be using it, chances are they'll never find the easter egg. Never send a human to do a machine's job Agent Smith

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                              Nah, it was a pretty cool fairly interactive editor. It had menus, ascii tables, and everything! It was the bees kness! :-D - Phil

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                              Neville Franks
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                              Is it my ED? See sig. Neville Franks, Author of Surfulater www.surfulater.com "Save what you Surf" and ED for Windows www.getsoft.com

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                                Is it my ED? See sig. Neville Franks, Author of Surfulater www.surfulater.com "Save what you Surf" and ED for Windows www.getsoft.com

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                                Phil Martin
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                                No, but your ED does look good indeed. I am thinking of a real deal DOS program, I still have the exe, and it still runs great, but I haven't found any information on it. Perhaps I should start a wikipedia page on this little piece of history :D - Phil

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                                • B Bob X

                                  I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Best thing is to make sure the buillt in help is up to date - you'd be surprised how often the help doesn't match the application! Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                                  • P Phil Martin

                                    No, but your ED does look good indeed. I am thinking of a real deal DOS program, I still have the exe, and it still runs great, but I haven't found any information on it. Perhaps I should start a wikipedia page on this little piece of history :D - Phil

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                                    Neville Franks
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                                    pmartin wrote:

                                    No, but your ED does look good indeed. I am thinking of a real deal DOS program, I still have the exe, and it still runs great, but I haven't found any information on it.

                                    I assume your ED doesn't have a GUI, nor Help|About. There was edlin back on MS-DOS. My ED started life as "ED for DOS" and was pretty popular in its day. It competed with Brief back then. Some people are even still using it today. Neville Franks, Author of Surfulater www.surfulater.com "Save what you Surf" and ED for Windows www.getsoft.com

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                                    • B Bob X

                                      I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                                      Gonzalo Brusella
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                                      I've put a invincible 3D pong into a program... You can play it for hours and the program never be beaten... VERY addictive... It was really nice joke, for a "serious" program (an ACO engine).. The real finishing touch is a good tenting... Lots of programs have lots of bugs due lack of testing I'm on a Fuzzy State: Between 0 an 1

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                                      • B Bob X

                                        I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                                        Jim Gary
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                                        I would reckon that depends on who the customer is.... Example: If you are a permanent employee of the company and a part of the "family" and it's all a cozy in-house relationship between you, the users, and the software, then it could be fun to put something in there. Example: If you are an independent consultant building software that will be in the proprietary ownership of your customer, then it's not yours to play with, and it would be rather unprofessional to put a "fun" easer egg in the application. Ultiamtely, it depends on the culture in which you are working, contractor or otherwise, as to what's appropriate. I liked the first answer to this question, the bichin-est mark you can place on an appilcation is that it works flawlessly. Validate everything in every concievable way, make sure the interface is seamless, leaveing no question from the users, and make sure everything fits and matches the audience. In other words, the best easter-egg is no gaps, no surprises, no user-work-arounds, and no confusion. Hope that helps... :o) jim out!

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                                          I am currently finishing up a project, and I am trying to think of a good easter egg or something that would give the project it's "finishing touch." Does anyone have any good ideas on what gives a program a great finishing touch? Does anyone also have any opinions on what makes a good easter egg in a program or even if easter eggs are such a good idea? Thanks Bob X

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                                          nicknotyet
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                                          Can be a good idea if you have the time and your team needs a little creative boost. Good for morale, but doesn't really benefit the customer. Factoid: The MS Windows team instituted a prohibition against Easter Eggs in 1999. This came as a result of an NSA requirement for W2K receiving any kind of security clearance. I've always been curious how many were snuck in anyway.

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