I Find It Interesting...
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...that my "CP Articles I'm Using" threads garner so many replies (not that I'm complaining) compared to those posted by other CP members. To give you guys a little heads up... 0) I've been programming since 1980 - yes - actually *writing code* for a living for that long. 1) I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP. 2) Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job. 3) I do not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome. If the code already exists, if it's applicable, if it works, and if it fulfills my very specific needs, you can bet I'll try to make use of it. Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself. 4) "New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology. 5) As a rule, if Nish recommends it, I probably won't use it because his recommendation is more than likely based on a deference (translation: "sucking up") to the all-knowing wisdom of Microsoft. That dog just don't hunt. 6) I successfully use VC6 for a lot of projects just to prove that Christian is wrong about the inviability of that version of the compiler. 7) I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001:doh: You are the man! You are the man! You are the man! ... How old are you by the way? IMO: The age means absolutely nothing. In fact, I see that best programmers here are young people that have free time to study and most of all, that accept constant changes in technologies. I know so much people over 50 that can't get rid of clipper just because they are too afraid of realizing that they don't know so much as they think. I'm not saying that you are like that. Just saying, age means nothing...
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...that my "CP Articles I'm Using" threads garner so many replies (not that I'm complaining) compared to those posted by other CP members. To give you guys a little heads up... 0) I've been programming since 1980 - yes - actually *writing code* for a living for that long. 1) I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP. 2) Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job. 3) I do not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome. If the code already exists, if it's applicable, if it works, and if it fulfills my very specific needs, you can bet I'll try to make use of it. Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself. 4) "New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology. 5) As a rule, if Nish recommends it, I probably won't use it because his recommendation is more than likely based on a deference (translation: "sucking up") to the all-knowing wisdom of Microsoft. That dog just don't hunt. 6) I successfully use VC6 for a lot of projects just to prove that Christian is wrong about the inviability of that version of the compiler. 7) I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes
Even if you wouldn't have had those years of experience, there wouldn't be any reason to ridicule you for it. I think that you are using common sense (something that used to be common).
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself.
Traits of a true programmer, and the traits of a good employee.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology.
Exactly. I think the wheel is proof of that.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
I abhor it for the fact that it would render my apps basically unusable (CPU/resource constraints), and that would have adverse effects on my wallet. Besides, I'm waiting for all people to switch to managed code. I will cash in BIG the day when there's suddenly a big need for people who can write unmanaged code, and there are no unmanaged programmers. ;)
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You're just pissed off because you're not old enough to use the same disclaimer. Comments like "People still use INI files?" are NOT well received. Jeff, on the other hand asked why I selected the class I did over the one he mentioned, to which I gave a reasonable reply. Most of the people responding have less experience breathing than I have writing code, and their comments attract an appropriately weighted amount of consideration.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job.
Oh dear - not the "I'm older and wiser because, well, because I'm older and wiser" argument. If someone is critical of my choices I take a look at why. Quite often their reasons are ridiculous. Other times they're right so I suck it up and become a better programmer because of it. Their age and years writing software are the least of my concerns. Cheers, Drew.
In my experience it's the guys that are the least likely to accept constructive criticism (that is valid, not flaming) that end up being the programmers I have to clean up after. In my experience, some 'older and wiser' types are just posers that are getting by on the experience printed on their resume rather than what they actually know.
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How about this - I've written real-time image and live video acquisition/transmission code with that compiler, and it's currently being used by pretty much every combat aircraft flying for the US that has the necessary hardware to run it. A sizable portion of the images we've all seen on TV of guided bombs hitting their targets in Iraq is provided by software that I wrote with VC6. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
A sizable portion of the images we've all seen on TV of guided bombs hitting their targets in Iraq is provided by software that I wrote with VC6.
Probably the bombs that hit that children hospital were coded in VB6 with "On Error Resume Next" :)
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:doh: You are the man! You are the man! You are the man! ... How old are you by the way? IMO: The age means absolutely nothing. In fact, I see that best programmers here are young people that have free time to study and most of all, that accept constant changes in technologies. I know so much people over 50 that can't get rid of clipper just because they are too afraid of realizing that they don't know so much as they think. I'm not saying that you are like that. Just saying, age means nothing...
siskhoalanka wrote:
How old are you by the way?
I'm over 50... :/ I work for a living. I don't have time to study and therefore I have to learn as I go. When you get older, your priorities change. I used to be like you young guys - eager for the next meaningful leap in programming technology, but now I'm wondering why I spent all that time on crap that's always changing - and not necessarily for the better. I also have a life which really screws with my desire to learn something new on my own. Now with this DRM crap (even though I don't download music or movies), product activation (even though I buy all my software), security and privacy issues (even though I take all the steps I can to ensure it's kept secure and private), I simply don't really care to be part of the new technologies. I'm not so arrogant that I don't recognize that to remain employable I have to learn to code in a managed environment, but I don't have to like it, and I certainly don't have to say anything good about it. Requirements are, after all, requirements. Native code rules.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
siskhoalanka wrote:
Do you realize how pedantic you are?
I'm obviously missing something because I don't see the pedantry.
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...that my "CP Articles I'm Using" threads garner so many replies (not that I'm complaining) compared to those posted by other CP members. To give you guys a little heads up... 0) I've been programming since 1980 - yes - actually *writing code* for a living for that long. 1) I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP. 2) Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job. 3) I do not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome. If the code already exists, if it's applicable, if it works, and if it fulfills my very specific needs, you can bet I'll try to make use of it. Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself. 4) "New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology. 5) As a rule, if Nish recommends it, I probably won't use it because his recommendation is more than likely based on a deference (translation: "sucking up") to the all-knowing wisdom of Microsoft. That dog just don't hunt. 6) I successfully use VC6 for a lot of projects just to prove that Christian is wrong about the inviability of that version of the compiler. 7) I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
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...that my "CP Articles I'm Using" threads garner so many replies (not that I'm complaining) compared to those posted by other CP members. To give you guys a little heads up... 0) I've been programming since 1980 - yes - actually *writing code* for a living for that long. 1) I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP. 2) Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job. 3) I do not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome. If the code already exists, if it's applicable, if it works, and if it fulfills my very specific needs, you can bet I'll try to make use of it. Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself. 4) "New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology. 5) As a rule, if Nish recommends it, I probably won't use it because his recommendation is more than likely based on a deference (translation: "sucking up") to the all-knowing wisdom of Microsoft. That dog just don't hunt. 6) I successfully use VC6 for a lot of projects just to prove that Christian is wrong about the inviability of that version of the compiler. 7) I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
Man, that's just a sig waiting to happen.
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How about this - I've written real-time image and live video acquisition/transmission code with that compiler, and it's currently being used by pretty much every combat aircraft flying for the US that has the necessary hardware to run it. A sizable portion of the images we've all seen on TV of guided bombs hitting their targets in Iraq is provided by software that I wrote with VC6. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I've written real-time image and live video acquisition/transmission code with that compiler
yup, and I did augmented reality with the same version. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes
Even if you wouldn't have had those years of experience, there wouldn't be any reason to ridicule you for it. I think that you are using common sense (something that used to be common).
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself.
Traits of a true programmer, and the traits of a good employee.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology.
Exactly. I think the wheel is proof of that.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
I abhor it for the fact that it would render my apps basically unusable (CPU/resource constraints), and that would have adverse effects on my wallet. Besides, I'm waiting for all people to switch to managed code. I will cash in BIG the day when there's suddenly a big need for people who can write unmanaged code, and there are no unmanaged programmers. ;)
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Besides, I'm waiting for all people to switch to managed code. I will cash in BIG the day when there's suddenly a big need for people who can write unmanaged code, and there are no unmanaged programmers.
Hmmm... for us dinosaurs, this sounds vaguely familiar... Replace 'managed code' and 'unmananged code' with 'legacy'... The PC based suite of tools may be whiz-bang and all, but we still run our production environment with Fortran code... Being able to move seamlessly between environments, being willing to learn how to get what is needed regardless of environment has served me well in my career... John --> thank you for being willing to use what others have done to your advantage... use what works. Tim
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
A sizable portion of the images we've all seen on TV of guided bombs hitting their targets in Iraq is provided by software that I wrote with VC6.
Probably the bombs that hit that children hospital were coded in VB6 with "On Error Resume Next" :)
From the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled 'For The Sick,' is for monetary donations only."
I think those are caused by errant "goto" statements. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
...that my "CP Articles I'm Using" threads garner so many replies (not that I'm complaining) compared to those posted by other CP members. To give you guys a little heads up... 0) I've been programming since 1980 - yes - actually *writing code* for a living for that long. 1) I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP. 2) Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job. 3) I do not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome. If the code already exists, if it's applicable, if it works, and if it fulfills my very specific needs, you can bet I'll try to make use of it. Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself. 4) "New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology. 5) As a rule, if Nish recommends it, I probably won't use it because his recommendation is more than likely based on a deference (translation: "sucking up") to the all-knowing wisdom of Microsoft. That dog just don't hunt. 6) I successfully use VC6 for a lot of projects just to prove that Christian is wrong about the inviability of that version of the compiler. 7) I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP.
You are slipping John... ;) I've got Prolog, Lisp, Snobol, Cobol, RPG II/III/IV, Modula 2, and assembly on 4 processors as well as those. ;P And I am still leaving a few out. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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You're just pissed off because you're not old enough to use the same disclaimer. Comments like "People still use INI files?" are NOT well received. Jeff, on the other hand asked why I selected the class I did over the one he mentioned, to which I gave a reasonable reply. Most of the people responding have less experience breathing than I have writing code, and their comments attract an appropriately weighted amount of consideration.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Comments like "People still use INI files?" are NOT well received.
What's wrong with INI files? They're smaller, simple to read by humans (than XML, for instance) and lighter to parse. :)
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP.
You are slipping John... ;) I've got Prolog, Lisp, Snobol, Cobol, RPG II/III/IV, Modula 2, and assembly on 4 processors as well as those. ;P And I am still leaving a few out. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
You guys have waaaaaay too much time on your hands... :)
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You're just pissed off because you're not old enough to use the same disclaimer. Comments like "People still use INI files?" are NOT well received. Jeff, on the other hand asked why I selected the class I did over the one he mentioned, to which I gave a reasonable reply. Most of the people responding have less experience breathing than I have writing code, and their comments attract an appropriately weighted amount of consideration.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP.
You are slipping John... ;) I've got Prolog, Lisp, Snobol, Cobol, RPG II/III/IV, Modula 2, and assembly on 4 processors as well as those. ;P And I am still leaving a few out. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I learned Cobol, RPG, PL/1 and IBM 360 assembly language in college, but since I've never done any of that for money, I don't count it.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
siskhoalanka wrote:
Do you realize how pedantic you are?
I think "pedantic" is not the proper word for what you wanted to say. "Arrogant" is probably what you meant. In English, "Pedantic" is when someone pays a little too much attention to details, whereas in Spanish, "pedante" is someone who's obnoxiously arrogant. Sorry for being pedantic. :-) Alvaro
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siskhoalanka wrote:
How old are you by the way?
I'm over 50... :/ I work for a living. I don't have time to study and therefore I have to learn as I go. When you get older, your priorities change. I used to be like you young guys - eager for the next meaningful leap in programming technology, but now I'm wondering why I spent all that time on crap that's always changing - and not necessarily for the better. I also have a life which really screws with my desire to learn something new on my own. Now with this DRM crap (even though I don't download music or movies), product activation (even though I buy all my software), security and privacy issues (even though I take all the steps I can to ensure it's kept secure and private), I simply don't really care to be part of the new technologies. I'm not so arrogant that I don't recognize that to remain employable I have to learn to code in a managed environment, but I don't have to like it, and I certainly don't have to say anything good about it. Requirements are, after all, requirements. Native code rules.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001>>>Now with this DRM crap (even though I don't download music or movies), product activation (even though I buy all my software), security and privacy issues (even though I take all the steps I can to ensure it's kept secure and private),<<< No offense John, but you don't sound much like an outlaw to me. That is what makes me cringe at your post. How can someone over 50 still be strutting around calling himself an "outlaw"?
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I learned Cobol, RPG, PL/1 and IBM 360 assembly language in college, but since I've never done any of that for money, I don't count it.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
RPG
World of Warcraft is the best RPG-app (Actually I haven't heard of a language called RPG... probably wayyyy before my time)
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