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PJ Arends wrote:
Take the Negus's post here, it has only two votes and is already deleted.
What's more, the post was a single-word joke. No spam, and nothing inappropriate. All I said was, "Here?".
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Ebonics would do...
Interesting. I thought only Americans used that particular racial insult. You shouldn't let people drag you down to their level, Joergen. You have more character than that. Your training is pointing you to higher ground. You should build a cabin there. The view is much better. ;) [edit] Or, as I once heard it put, never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it. It was pointed out to me, quite correctly as I see it, that likening someone to a pig isn't exactly taking the higher ground, either. So, I'll publicly strike that remark and offer an apology for it, as is appropriate. [/edit] -- modified at 18:28 Friday 5th January, 2007
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
I thought only Americans used that particular racial insult
Actually, the word "ebonics" is a common and acceptable term. I quote from the usage note under "Black English" at dictionary.com: "Linguists generally prefer the term African American Vernacular English, although some use the term Ebonics, which saw widespread use in the late 1990s."
Christopher Duncan wrote:
You shouldn't let people drag you down to their level, Joergen. You have more character than that. Or, as I once heard it put, never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.
At what level is one functioning when he likens another to a "pig"?
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
I thought only Americans used that particular racial insult
Actually, the word "ebonics" is a common and acceptable term. I quote from the usage note under "Black English" at dictionary.com: "Linguists generally prefer the term African American Vernacular English, although some use the term Ebonics, which saw widespread use in the late 1990s."
Christopher Duncan wrote:
You shouldn't let people drag you down to their level, Joergen. You have more character than that. Or, as I once heard it put, never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.
At what level is one functioning when he likens another to a "pig"?
The Grand Negus wrote:
At what level is one functioning when he likens another to a "pig"?
You make an excellent point. Although I was thinking in terms of the general childishness that seems to have taken over here lately, I was also referring to you since I've seen you go out of your way to pick a fight on a number of occasions. With that in mind, you're absolutely right in pointing it out and I offer a sincere apology.
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I did not see your message, but if that is what it was then the system definitely needs changing.
You may be right
I may be crazy
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PJ Arends wrote:
I did not see your message, but if that is what it was then the system definitely needs changing.
Yeah, I just checked (if you try to modify a deleted message the system presents you with the original text in the edit box but won't let you re-post it). So all those automatically deleted messages are still in the database, apparently. Anyway, that's exactly what I said. I quoted the part of the above message about the "mob" and replied, "Here?".
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There seem to be a number of posts getting removed and some threads completely vanishing. Why is it that some are left with a "message removed" message with replies still there and others the entire thread seems to vanish?
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The Grand Negus wrote:
At what level is one functioning when he likens another to a "pig"?
You make an excellent point. Although I was thinking in terms of the general childishness that seems to have taken over here lately, I was also referring to you since I've seen you go out of your way to pick a fight on a number of occasions. With that in mind, you're absolutely right in pointing it out and I offer a sincere apology.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Ebonics would do...
Interesting. I thought only Americans used that particular racial insult. You shouldn't let people drag you down to their level, Joergen. You have more character than that. Your training is pointing you to higher ground. You should build a cabin there. The view is much better. ;) [edit] Or, as I once heard it put, never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it. It was pointed out to me, quite correctly as I see it, that likening someone to a pig isn't exactly taking the higher ground, either. So, I'll publicly strike that remark and offer an apology for it, as is appropriate. [/edit] -- modified at 18:28 Friday 5th January, 2007
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I wasn't aware I was making a racial insult. :~ I was trying to make a joke at Negus's expense, although I did not intend to make it racially loaded in any way. It was the only unintelligible english "dialect"1 I could think of at the moment. :-O 1 Unintelligible to this foreigner in any case. :)
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Jörgen would want to translate the message to "Swedish Chef". Et zee teeme-a ooff thees pust, zee tup tvu Luoonge-a items "edferteesed" et zee tup reeght oon zee hume-a pege-a ere-a: "(2) Messege-a Remufed" und "(5) Messege-a Remufed / Deleted?". Ooh, thuse-a unnuyeeng seede-a-iffffects. Um gesh dee bork, bork!..
You may be right
I may be crazy
-- Billy Joel --Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
I read you loud and clear! :-D
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That's actaully pretty funny, you got my 5 on that one.
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I wasn't aware I was making a racial insult. :~ I was trying to make a joke at Negus's expense, although I did not intend to make it racially loaded in any way. It was the only unintelligible english "dialect"1 I could think of at the moment. :-O 1 Unintelligible to this foreigner in any case. :)
He pointed out to me below that it's a word in the dictionary, and that may be fine for the academic world. However, out here on the streets, where real people use the word, it is without a doubt done in a dismissive and insulting manner. Not being in America I figured you weren't aware of that, which is why I mentioned it. You don't strike me as the racist sort, so I was sure you wouldn't want to be perceived that way. As for the other stuff, with each day that you train it becomes ever more important to learn tolerance and self control, in all aspects of your life. As your skill to harm or kill other humans grows, you have an ever increasing responsibility to make sure that you are the master of your reactions in every waking moment of your day. It is a matter of honor - not only for yourself, but for the brothers and sisters in your art that you represent with every action you take in life. For good or for ill, people will look at how you treat others and think to themselves, "Oh, so that's what those karate guys are all about." Anger is a response. How it is expressed is a separate issue. If you train yourself to accept anger as an appropriate response, then some days it'll just be text on a web site. Other days, however, it may be a broken or permanently damaged person, and after it's all over and you realize that you weren't in control, it'll be too late. That's why it's critical to monitor and condition your reactions in all areas of your life, even when the consequences seem trivial. Feel free to print this post out, hand it to your Sensei, and publicly chastise me if he tells you that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :) I hope you know that the only reason I'm giving you a hard time about the way you've been letting others get to you lately is due to the high regard I hold you in. I think you're pointing your life in a good direction, and wouldn't want to see you get side tracked. Your temper is far more dangerous to you than a guy on the street with a knife. Budo is a way of life, expressed in arts that have as their goal the refinement of the human spirit. In the process, you also do a little punching and kicking.
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I wasn't aware I was making a racial insult. :~ I was trying to make a joke at Negus's expense, although I did not intend to make it racially loaded in any way. It was the only unintelligible english "dialect"1 I could think of at the moment. :-O 1 Unintelligible to this foreigner in any case. :)
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I wasn't aware I was making a racial insult.
Ebonics got its bad rap, er reputation, when some grad student of Black Studies wrote his disseratation expounding on how it should be taught in schools just like proper English.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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He pointed out to me below that it's a word in the dictionary, and that may be fine for the academic world. However, out here on the streets, where real people use the word, it is without a doubt done in a dismissive and insulting manner. Not being in America I figured you weren't aware of that, which is why I mentioned it. You don't strike me as the racist sort, so I was sure you wouldn't want to be perceived that way. As for the other stuff, with each day that you train it becomes ever more important to learn tolerance and self control, in all aspects of your life. As your skill to harm or kill other humans grows, you have an ever increasing responsibility to make sure that you are the master of your reactions in every waking moment of your day. It is a matter of honor - not only for yourself, but for the brothers and sisters in your art that you represent with every action you take in life. For good or for ill, people will look at how you treat others and think to themselves, "Oh, so that's what those karate guys are all about." Anger is a response. How it is expressed is a separate issue. If you train yourself to accept anger as an appropriate response, then some days it'll just be text on a web site. Other days, however, it may be a broken or permanently damaged person, and after it's all over and you realize that you weren't in control, it'll be too late. That's why it's critical to monitor and condition your reactions in all areas of your life, even when the consequences seem trivial. Feel free to print this post out, hand it to your Sensei, and publicly chastise me if he tells you that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :) I hope you know that the only reason I'm giving you a hard time about the way you've been letting others get to you lately is due to the high regard I hold you in. I think you're pointing your life in a good direction, and wouldn't want to see you get side tracked. Your temper is far more dangerous to you than a guy on the street with a knife. Budo is a way of life, expressed in arts that have as their goal the refinement of the human spirit. In the process, you also do a little punching and kicking.
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Well, I wasn't angry in this particular instance. I was just making a joke. As for my replies to Kyle (and his various alter egos), it's not really anger either. It's more an expression of "You're annoying, go away.". If I'm annoyed, I'll bite back. If I'm angry, I'm quite silent... until someone pushes me just a little bit more (which hasn't happened for almost 18 years now), at which point I'll explode. I didn't know that I've been perceived as angry. Maybe I'll tone down a little. :)
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I wasn't aware I was making a racial insult.
Ebonics got its bad rap, er reputation, when some grad student of Black Studies wrote his disseratation expounding on how it should be taught in schools just like proper English.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
how it should be taught in schools just like proper English.
Not instead of proper English, right? Because that would be just stupid. At least if your future income more or less depends on how well you manage the English language. :)
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Well, I wasn't angry in this particular instance. I was just making a joke. As for my replies to Kyle (and his various alter egos), it's not really anger either. It's more an expression of "You're annoying, go away.". If I'm annoyed, I'll bite back. If I'm angry, I'm quite silent... until someone pushes me just a little bit more (which hasn't happened for almost 18 years now), at which point I'll explode. I didn't know that I've been perceived as angry. Maybe I'll tone down a little. :)
-- Please rise for the Futurama theme song
We have more in common than you might realize. There's a reason I speak with some authority about the consequences of anger. After a number of experiences in my youth that I'd much rather forget, I decided that's just not the man I wanted to be, and started finding ways to do something about it. There are still more miles in front of me than behind me, and I continue to grapple daily with the dragon, but I've at least found out what kind of milk and cookies he likes. :) Yeah, you seem a bit cranky of late. Not to say that it's without provocation, mind you. Nonetheles, annoyed leads to angry, and as the years go by you're going to have to give up your self proclaimed right to bite back, and replace it with patience. The stakes are just too high. There truly are things worth killing for and dying for, but it's a really short list. It's much easier to just step offline and let them run into the wall on their own. :-D
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Tim Craig wrote:
how it should be taught in schools just like proper English.
Not instead of proper English, right? Because that would be just stupid. At least if your future income more or less depends on how well you manage the English language. :)
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not instead of proper English, right? Because that would be just stupid.
I forget exactly how he phrased it. I think the furor about it was somewhere around 15 years ago. I think he wanted teachers trained in Ebonics so they could conduct classes in it in predominantly black schools. His argument was that it was what the kids understood so they'd learn better in it. However, those kids had spent years with their noses glued to a TV screen so they certainly understand proper English. He just needed something for his disseratation and wanted to make some waves. Another minority wanting a piece of the ESL pie.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Tim Craig wrote:
how it should be taught in schools just like proper English.
Not instead of proper English, right? Because that would be just stupid. At least if your future income more or less depends on how well you manage the English language. :)
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
LOADING...
:beer: :beer: :beer: (hic!) LOADED.
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We have more in common than you might realize. There's a reason I speak with some authority about the consequences of anger. After a number of experiences in my youth that I'd much rather forget, I decided that's just not the man I wanted to be, and started finding ways to do something about it. There are still more miles in front of me than behind me, and I continue to grapple daily with the dragon, but I've at least found out what kind of milk and cookies he likes. :) Yeah, you seem a bit cranky of late. Not to say that it's without provocation, mind you. Nonetheles, annoyed leads to angry, and as the years go by you're going to have to give up your self proclaimed right to bite back, and replace it with patience. The stakes are just too high. There truly are things worth killing for and dying for, but it's a really short list. It's much easier to just step offline and let them run into the wall on their own. :-D
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
There truly are things worth killing for and dying for, but it's a really short list.
- Summer vacation time 2) ... Yeah, it's a short list. :-D
Christopher Duncan wrote:
It's much easier to just step offline and let them run into the wall on their own.
That's what I've been doing lately. I've begun writing many responses lately, but most of the time I've just said to myself "f*** it" just prior to killing the browser window. I've got a bunch of books and a software project to toy with. :)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
There truly are things worth killing for and dying for, but it's a really short list.
- Summer vacation time 2) ... Yeah, it's a short list. :-D
Christopher Duncan wrote:
It's much easier to just step offline and let them run into the wall on their own.
That's what I've been doing lately. I've begun writing many responses lately, but most of the time I've just said to myself "f*** it" just prior to killing the browser window. I've got a bunch of books and a software project to toy with. :)
-- -= Proudly Made on Earth =-
Although I didn't want to step into that particular pissing contest, I nearly blew beer out my nose (yes, Virginia, I still drink a beer on occasion) when I read your "only 25%" comment. :laugh: You owe me a carpet cleaning. :-D Gonna have to make my way to Sweden sooner or later. I suspect we could have some fun.
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He pointed out to me below that it's a word in the dictionary, and that may be fine for the academic world. However, out here on the streets, where real people use the word, it is without a doubt done in a dismissive and insulting manner. Not being in America I figured you weren't aware of that, which is why I mentioned it. You don't strike me as the racist sort, so I was sure you wouldn't want to be perceived that way. As for the other stuff, with each day that you train it becomes ever more important to learn tolerance and self control, in all aspects of your life. As your skill to harm or kill other humans grows, you have an ever increasing responsibility to make sure that you are the master of your reactions in every waking moment of your day. It is a matter of honor - not only for yourself, but for the brothers and sisters in your art that you represent with every action you take in life. For good or for ill, people will look at how you treat others and think to themselves, "Oh, so that's what those karate guys are all about." Anger is a response. How it is expressed is a separate issue. If you train yourself to accept anger as an appropriate response, then some days it'll just be text on a web site. Other days, however, it may be a broken or permanently damaged person, and after it's all over and you realize that you weren't in control, it'll be too late. That's why it's critical to monitor and condition your reactions in all areas of your life, even when the consequences seem trivial. Feel free to print this post out, hand it to your Sensei, and publicly chastise me if he tells you that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :) I hope you know that the only reason I'm giving you a hard time about the way you've been letting others get to you lately is due to the high regard I hold you in. I think you're pointing your life in a good direction, and wouldn't want to see you get side tracked. Your temper is far more dangerous to you than a guy on the street with a knife. Budo is a way of life, expressed in arts that have as their goal the refinement of the human spirit. In the process, you also do a little punching and kicking.
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
As for the other stuff, with each day that you train it becomes ever more important to learn tolerance and self control, in all aspects of your life. As your skill to harm or kill other humans grows, you have an ever increasing responsibility to make sure that you are the master of your reactions in every waking moment of your day. It is a matter of honor - not only for yourself, but for the brothers and sisters in your art that you represent with every action you take in life. For good or for ill, people will look at how you treat others and think to themselves, "Oh, so that's what those karate guys are all about." Anger is a response. How it is expressed is a separate issue. If you train yourself to accept anger as an appropriate response, then some days it'll just be text on a web site. Other days, however, it may be a broken or permanently damaged person, and after it's all over and you realize that you weren't in control, it'll be too late. That's why it's critical to monitor and condition your reactions in all areas of your life, even when the consequences seem trivial. Feel free to print this post out, hand it to your Sensei, and publicly chastise me if he tells you that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I hope you know that the only reason I'm giving you a hard time about the way you've been letting others get to you lately is due to the high regard I hold you in. I think you're pointing your life in a good direction, and wouldn't want to see you get side tracked. Your temper is far more dangerous to you than a guy on the street with a knife. Budo is a way of life, expressed in arts that have as their goal the refinement of the human spirit. In the process, you also do a little punching and kicking.
This is a very curious post; at least I think so. What is your relationship to Joergen that you can give him such serious and personal advice on a public forum such as this - and get away with it! :) Are you members of the same Budo - I don't know the right word - "group"? Are you his mentor or advisor? I can't imagine that you're just picking folks at random and offering unsolicited advice. So, what's the scoop?
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Although I didn't want to step into that particular pissing contest, I nearly blew beer out my nose (yes, Virginia, I still drink a beer on occasion) when I read your "only 25%" comment. :laugh: You owe me a carpet cleaning. :-D Gonna have to make my way to Sweden sooner or later. I suspect we could have some fun.
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
You owe me a carpet cleaning.
Oh no.. not another one! I still owe a girl a carpet cleaning from waaaaay back. The booze she served that night wasn't all that great, so it came up again. Along with the nachos. And it was her stupid carpet that made me trip during my attempt to reach the toilet in a timely fashion. :rolleyes:
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Gonna have to make my way to Sweden sooner or later. I suspect we could have some fun.
June to August is the best time to visit Sweden. Great weather (= lightly dressed women abound), and sun light until midnight! Woohoo! :)
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