Are you concerned about bird flu?
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Smart Ass [EDIT] Humour is just lost on some people! [/EDIT] -- modified at 9:48 Monday 5th February, 2007
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Humour is just lost on some people!
It wasn't me! :-)
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Normaly I would agree. But in relationship with birh flu it's the wrong decission. An infection with birth flu happens after contact with wild birds. With us, when there was the danger of birth flu, it was forbidden to let chickens autside for month.
ensger wrote:
An infection with birth flu happens after contact with wild birds.
:confused: Not so! Please do not spread this myth. X| H5N1 (commonly called avian flu or bird flu) infection is possible from exposure to infected birds or infected bird excrement regardless of if the bird is wild, domesticated, living or dead. :omg: Wild birds are considered a vector in the spread of H5N1 but are not the only vector. :doh: The original detection of the H5N1 virus happened in Hong Kong in 1997 and involved chickens raised for market. Since then H5N1 has spread around the world and has infected not only chickens but many other avian species. :sigh: In the US, a few years ago, and now in the UK it has been detected in turkeys. Internationally it has been detected in chickens, turkeys, ducks, both domesticated and wild, as well as a variety migratory birds. :~ To say that "infection with birth flu happens after contact with wild birds" is not true. :rolleyes:
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From a poll on the BBC news website:
Are you concerned about bird flu?
Yes
25.63%
No
68.74%
Don't know
5.62%
3823 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion5.62% (215) people taking part in the poll "don't know" if they are concerned about bird flu! Do these people not even know thier own minds! What is this world coming to?
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Or don't care/Want to die.
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I added a "joke" icon, cause obviously everybody thinks I meant this seriously ;) regards
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From a poll on the BBC news website:
Are you concerned about bird flu?
Yes
25.63%
No
68.74%
Don't know
5.62%
3823 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion5.62% (215) people taking part in the poll "don't know" if they are concerned about bird flu! Do these people not even know thier own minds! What is this world coming to?
Upcoming events: * Glasgow Geek Dinner (5th March) * Glasgow: Tell us what you want to see in 2007 My: Website | Blog | Photos
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
5.62% (215) people taking part in the poll "don't know" if they are concerned about bird flu! Do these people not even know thier own minds!
I might answer I don't know because all I know about it is what the media feeds me (which is considerably more viral). I do know that I don't know enough about it, and that I won't come to any conclusions based on what I've read so far, which is just media frenzy. It's strange to me how these surveys nowadays seem to have the assumption that whatever the majority feels is the correct answer. When did a survey about what other people think ever reflect on the truth of a matter? What I do I care what other people think? Do I make decisions based on majority opinion? No! Marc
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You can't get bird flu through eating birds. Even if you eat an infected bird. Cooking kills the flu. Freezing kills the flu. You pretty much have to find an infected, live bird and start sucking on its rear end to get infected. Or do some strange Satanic ritual involving bird blood.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
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Paul Watson wrote:
You pretty much have to find an infected, live bird and start sucking on its rear end to get infected. Or do some strange Satanic ritual involving bird blood.
I detect a bit of "Watson Wit" in this statement. It looks like living in Ireland is rubbing off on you. :-D If you are being witty please indicate it so as not to minimize the importance of knowing the transmission vectors of this potentially catastrophic virus. :doh: What you said about cooked birds is true, cooking kills the virus, but that is not to minimize the exposure to the cook in preparing the bird for consumption. :rolleyes:
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Actually yes, IF it hits the United States. There have not been reported cases of the bird flu in pet birds, but it could happen. I eat only free-range chicken which conditions are much better than in the big poultry farms that seem to get hit the most often so the chance of getting bird flu via food source for me is low.
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leckey wrote:
Actually yes, IF it hits the United States.
It has already has hit the US. :doh: A few years ago it was detected in turkeys (I believe it was in New York State) and there was a ban on the import of avian products from the US in many nations. :sigh: Fortunately it turned out to be an isolated incident and the quarantine period has expired. :-D This can have very devastating economic consequences, especially on developing economies, besides the obvious health hazard. :~
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At the moment it doesn't readily cross the species barrier, but that's subject to change in the future. The great flu pandemic of 1918-1919 was probably a bird flu. We still can't cure a virus, and while modern supportive medicine is much better than the situation ~90 years ago it won't do any good against a disease where you goto bed healthy, and die overnight without ever waking up.
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From a poll on the BBC news website:
Are you concerned about bird flu?
Yes
25.63%
No
68.74%
Don't know
5.62%
3823 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion5.62% (215) people taking part in the poll "don't know" if they are concerned about bird flu! Do these people not even know thier own minds! What is this world coming to?
Upcoming events: * Glasgow Geek Dinner (5th March) * Glasgow: Tell us what you want to see in 2007 My: Website | Blog | Photos
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Paul Watson wrote:
You pretty much have to find an infected, live bird and start sucking on its rear end to get infected. Or do some strange Satanic ritual involving bird blood.
I detect a bit of "Watson Wit" in this statement. It looks like living in Ireland is rubbing off on you. :-D If you are being witty please indicate it so as not to minimize the importance of knowing the transmission vectors of this potentially catastrophic virus. :doh: What you said about cooked birds is true, cooking kills the virus, but that is not to minimize the exposure to the cook in preparing the bird for consumption. :rolleyes:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesA processed, gutted and frozen chicken, even an infected one, from your grocery store is extremely unlikely to infect you. The main way of a human getting infected is through faecel matter. Even soap and water will kill the virus off. So as long as you don't start eating the raw meat of an infected bird you should be quite fine.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
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Actually yes, IF it hits the United States. There have not been reported cases of the bird flu in pet birds, but it could happen. I eat only free-range chicken which conditions are much better than in the big poultry farms that seem to get hit the most often so the chance of getting bird flu via food source for me is low.
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I'm sure there are some farms that provide real access to the outdoors and improved conditions, but from what I've been reading the 'free-range' label itself doesn't guarantee any kind of improved conditions.
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you like Venusian soup? I'll bet you dont know...
You are absolutely right - I don't know. However, Am I concerned about venusian soup? No, I'm not concerned about it.
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you like Venusian soup? I'll bet you dont know...
You are absolutely right - I don't know. However, Am I concerned about venusian soup? No, I'm not concerned about it.
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dan neely wrote:
it won't do any good against a disease where you goto bed healthy, and die overnight without ever waking up.
Where on earth did you hear that? Cheers, Drew.
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fat_boy wrote:
I'll bet you dont know...
Congratulations! You just won! Please click on the following link to collect your FREE, NO OBLIGATION, prize!!! We seem to have confused knowledge with facts. I can be full of facts and still know nothing. Marc
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fat_boy wrote:
I'll bet you dont know...
Congratulations! You just won! Please click on the following link to collect your FREE, NO OBLIGATION, prize!!! We seem to have confused knowledge with facts. I can be full of facts and still know nothing. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
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Broken link... Personally, I dont know if Avian Flu is a threat or not, so I dont know if I am concerned or not. If I was concerned I might start mass producing ventilators, there would be a huge demand for them.
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A processed, gutted and frozen chicken, even an infected one, from your grocery store is extremely unlikely to infect you. The main way of a human getting infected is through faecel matter. Even soap and water will kill the virus off. So as long as you don't start eating the raw meat of an infected bird you should be quite fine.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
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Paul Watson wrote:
A processed, gutted and frozen chicken
X| X| X| I try not to eat "gutted frozen" anything. :~ Why would I want to? :rolleyes: I realize that it is difficult for folks like yourself, living in the industrialized world, to relate to the majority of the worlds population who exist a bit closer to their food chain. It is not uncommon to see chickens roaming around in most of the world. Not everyone goes to the freezer compartment in the local supermarket to get their nourishment. :doh: If it gives you comfort to think that your frozen, processed, chemically growth hormone induced food stuff is safer for you to eat then you are entitled to that opinion. X| It does not address the production line food preparers exposure to H5N1, but then I suppose it would be foolish on my part to expect someone who gets their nourishment from the frozen food section of a supermarket to have a social conscience? :doh: Some of us like to eat things that have been tampered with less. There is a danger that goes with that decision but it is one I am prepared to deal with. :~
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Paul Watson wrote:
A processed, gutted and frozen chicken
X| X| X| I try not to eat "gutted frozen" anything. :~ Why would I want to? :rolleyes: I realize that it is difficult for folks like yourself, living in the industrialized world, to relate to the majority of the worlds population who exist a bit closer to their food chain. It is not uncommon to see chickens roaming around in most of the world. Not everyone goes to the freezer compartment in the local supermarket to get their nourishment. :doh: If it gives you comfort to think that your frozen, processed, chemically growth hormone induced food stuff is safer for you to eat then you are entitled to that opinion. X| It does not address the production line food preparers exposure to H5N1, but then I suppose it would be foolish on my part to expect someone who gets their nourishment from the frozen food section of a supermarket to have a social conscience? :doh: Some of us like to eat things that have been tampered with less. There is a danger that goes with that decision but it is one I am prepared to deal with. :~
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmy, this bird flu case happened in a county in England. It was a factory farm and supplied supermarkets. A majority of England get their poultry from supermarkets.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you like Venusian soup? I'll bet you dont know...
You are absolutely right - I don't know. However, Am I concerned about venusian soup? No, I'm not concerned about it.
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You should be. It is the number one cause of confusion in poorly worded polls.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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The bird what?
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